I personally have nt found a problem with the list as it stands

Not in the same way, because...?

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hey guys,

just to chip in my thoughts.

I think I agree with the majority of people here in that a titan army should be for titans. I have a skitarii army with titan support and see no issue with that list. By implementing the changes above I feel a lot of the flavour of the AMTL list would be lost and lets face it, at the end of the day an army needs to be fun to play else nobody will play it. I'm sorry I'm not experienced enough to offer any more complicated opinions on balance etc but the army has to feel right.

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Because the cost of Rhinos are incorporated into the formation cost.

By that definition, an army composed of nothing but Predator Annihilators is viable.

Whilst it may be 'legal', it will not result in a balanced game experience, and neither will your proposal result in a balanced 'all titans' game experience.

And that is what people are asking for from the AMTL army list, a list that will be balanced when playing 'all titans'.

I accept that my proposal may go too far.  But I believe that something needs to be changed, as the current list seems to encourage builds that are neither balanced nor "fluffy", and worst of all have tended to produce rather predictably, boring games. (Please note that is not intended as a critism of anyone, it an observation based on the games I have played thus far)

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You know that in SM2nd/TL there where weaspons the Reaver couldn't take? They where Warlord only. Perhabs this will help. I will look it up.

Edit: Here they are. Weapons prohibited for the Reaver are:
Carapace Landing Pad, Carapace Multi Lasers, Corvus Assault Pod, Deathstrike Cannon, Fire Control Centre, Plasma Cannon and Plasma Destructor.

Edit2: Note that the FW Reaver Titan only can have the Plasma Blastgun as its only plasma weapon. The big gerone is only for the Warlord. Plasma Cannon doesn't exist anymore for Titans (the name is used up for the infantry/vehicle weapopn) only the Plasma Destructor remaisn available and then only for Warlords.

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I think that 75 points might be too much for the built-in cost. 25 or 50 points may have been less of a shock.

Also, you have incorporated 3 concepts to achieve a reduction in the effectiveness of TRC's lists:

battle titan point increase
battle titan multiples of the same weapon tax
scout titan reduced availablity

Perhaps only one or maybe two of these will solve the problem. The baby may be out with the bathwater using all three.

An equally important feature should be that the list is also fun to play against.

Or otherwise nobody will want to play against it.

During discussion we did try various small changes.  But all that happened was that a few points got juggled from A to B and ended up with pretty much the same list.

If you don't agree that TRC's lists are unpleasant that's fair enough, we can agree to disagree on that.  But if you do agree that they are unpleasant then to discourage/prevent that kind of list will require restrictions of some kind (if not the ones I have present so far then something).