Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 03 Aug. 2009, 18:19 )
Quote: (Steve54 @ 03 Aug. 2009, 18:02 )
Why should people playtest though - mephiston, clausewitz, hena and several others have put a great deal of effort in testing 5.1. They have reported that, with a few tweeks, it is a usable list.
However now we appear to be starting, basically, from scratch as a few people very loudly don't think the list fits the background.
I might try this process with a list I don't like - make up my own list (whilst stating that I'm not seeking to rival or detract from the official list - when of course that is what I'm doing), get a couple of people to support me, get a 'no' from the AC, threaten to walk away, and then have my list adopted. ÂÂ
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I've put forward my idea after Honda asked me (and everyone) to. It was not unsolicited, and certainly not an attempt to usurp Honda's position; I've said repeatedly that this is just my
proposal, if some people like it then that's their choice, not me having a secret cabal dedicated to the overthrow of Honda.
I've played the ERC Tau list for years, and have had issues with it for years. It is only after years of watching the ERC Tau list meander backwards and forwards without ever getting close to being finished, and my regular Tau opponent finally refusing to use the ERC Tau list due to its non-Taulike 'feel' that I have been moved to
propose what I would like to see done.
I did not 'threaten to walk away' because I 'got a no', I stated that my proposal could 'go no further under the AC's development structure and the AC could do with the proposal as he wished' because it was essentially (over) complete under the development structure as I understood it.
You are, as usual, misrepresenting my intentions, and it is starting to look a little silly.
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As to "walking away", the only people who have done that are your gaming group (EpicUK).
Doubtless in the fullness of time you and your gaming group will create an EpicUK Tau army list, which adopts whatever style you and your gaming group feel would be coolest, just as you've created independent Marine lists and are (apparently) working on Ork lists... and I wish you all the best with  that endeavour.
I'm not going to get into another futile argument with you Ben, I'll just respond to your insulting post and then drop out of this thread - as Honda has suggested.
I think anybody who has been on the forum for any length of time can judge your intentions when you posted your list - at least thats the view people have expressed to me - and thats not other EPicUK people but other ACs.
To suggest that EPicUK are the only people to walk away is ridiculous - if what we are doing is walking away then the french have done the same thing in addition to the myriad of people who have walked away from development in frustration - check who was involved a year or 18 months ago if you want examples. While you may see it as walking away an EpicUK committee member has provided more playtests of 5.1 than anybody else - futiley it seems.
In looking at your list I do like several of the ideas in it but to suggest that adopting it could result in a finished list in a couple of months is, at best, breathtakingly arrogant. If timescale is a consideration then 5.1 could be a working list in that period.
If you want to take this further I suggest the AC lounge or PM.
People in grass houses shouldn't throw spears and that sort of thing.