I was under the impression it was init 2+.

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I'm find it hard to understand why re-positioning once an extra 15cm is being thought to be too good and by some a big improvement that would all of a sudden allow a dropped formation to become a no brainer.
Though allowing the same formation to re-position every turn,by much,much further is seen as OK.

I don't think your proposal would be worth as many points as a Dreadclaw that is a real transport unit with the Jump Pack ability, but I do think it would be worth more than a standard drop pod.

Though allowing the same formation to re-position every turn,by much,much further is seen as OK.

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Then charge more for it than a standard drop pod.......simples   thhch.

simples   thhch.

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If you charge an appropriate ammount of points, I find it hard to see how a 25/30cm speed Jump Pack transport craft with no guns would break the game's balance.

It wouldn't break the games balance but neither would a lot of suggestions if points are correct.

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For me it should be in between the 2 but nearer the second as long as it's still a reasonable abstraction of the background material.
I do not like following a system with regularly changing background and stats etc.where we will end up spending a couple of years to balance things just to find we may have to re change them when GW decides to alter things for their sales targets to be met.

I do not like following a system with regularly changing background and stats etc.

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It's not regularly changing background or stats. Dreadclaws have had the ability to re-deploy troops in the game ever since they were first given rules in 2005.

It's a failing of the original list development team to look up what a Dreadclaw actually was, and always has been.

I fully agree and it's why I support the NERC's army book project, as it will force Champions to fix the 'approved' lists in place for at least two years, if not more.

Personally I'd prefer a dreadclaw which could re-deploy it would add mobility to formations using oblitorators which they don't get at the present.

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Again I was going by the BL list were they are allowed.

The army list entry lists 'Chaos Havocs' at the beginning of the stat-line, which suggests that they are a distinct troop-type. In the bestiary section, though, Havocs are covered in the section on Chaos Space Marines, where they don't have their own stat-line listed, and where it doesn't note their unit type or special rules (as it does for Chaos Marines, Chosen and Bikers). The description for the Havocs also states that these are just specially-equipped Chaos Space Marines. Havocs don't get their own entry in the Summary sheet at the back, either. So you could probably make a case either way.

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Considering earlier versions of the Dreadclaw rules did list Havocs seperately, I'd assume that as the IA:6 version was designed to be compatible with the latest CSM Codex (which was released a few months prior to IA:6), that Havocs are indeed allowed.

I'll edit my post above.

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