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Chroma
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:06 pm 
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Quote: (frogbear @ 16 Jul. 2009, 15:52 )

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Er... I'm mildly confused as to what this has to do with this dicussion.

By "variants", I meant the various Tyranid variants that have been around, sorry if I wasn't clear.

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Chroma's a nice chap and he's making a very reasonable request.

As soon as I get the minor update to my ideas/proposals uploaded, I'll close this thread, sorry for the delay.

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Quote: (Morgan Vening @ 16 Jul. 2009, 15:35 )

From a cursory look at the Leviathan list, it's one I'd be interested in playing against. That doesn't mean it's good. It just means I see it as sufficiently different and has changes to the fairly significant issues I had with it.

So what are these issues?  I just re-read that Scions vs Tyranids report, and you're complaints/issues seem to be more with Marines/inexperience than the Tyranids.

Again, I'd appreciate it if you could elaborate.

For that matter, how is it any different for Leviathan/9.2.1 and the three existant Squat lists (Thurgrim + alternates/Demiurg/French)?


That's the thing, it's not different at all... *THAT'S* the problem... people get insular or angry, cling to their pet ideas, don't share information, don't play, do argue, split their player base, and have a hard time getting anything completed.

I don't think that's a path I'd want to follow.

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I've updated the list link on page 1 with the ideas discussed in this thread, and as per Chroma's request shall now lock the thread.


If anyone has any further questions relating to this list in general, please PM me.

If anyone wants to debate specific elements of this army list (such as unit stats, points costs, army list structure, or the variable initiative rating special rule) please open a new thread in order to do so.


If you try playing games with this list, don't expect it to be balanced straight out of the gate, and note that there are probably still a couple of typos lurking in there somewhere. If you do play any games with this list, let Chroma know how you felt about specific elements of the army list, as it may help him in his quest to create a fun and balanced Tyranid army list.

Thanks,

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Uhhh, thread temporarily unlocked again whilst I run some updates Chroma's asked me to do. :))

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Chroma: It does look a little protectionist of you to try and shut down a list. How is that in the epic open-development spirit?

Focusing on one list is all well and good, but as several people have mentioned (and I very much agree) 9.2.1 really doesn't fit our view of the tyranids, and never will. Personally I only have interest in a list representing the current 40k incarnation of nids, which this list attempts to do, so is of much more interest to me.

Why is it ok for you to post your varient lists but not for E&C to post his?

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Zombo could you take this discussion to PM or another thread?

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Quote: (zombocom @ 16 Jul. 2009, 16:28 )

Chroma: It does look a little protectionist of you to try and shut down a list. How is that in the epic open-development spirit?

Wow, I didn't know saying "I prefer you didn't" was so draconian and severe, should I have ended it with "please"?   :))

The idea of *not* having mutliple "core" variants of a list running at the same time came directly to me from E&C and his discussions with Jervis, so I was reaffirming that with Ben, and I think he agrees.  I made a request, but you don't see me deleting threads or anything and I'd like this thread to stay open.  

Focusing on one list is all well and good, but as several people have mentioned (and I very much agree) 9.2.1 really doesn't fit our view of the tyranids, and never will. Personally I only have interest in a list representing the current 40k incarnation of nids, which this list attempts to do, so is of much more interest to me.

So, you want a list with less units in it?  Is that the "representing the current 40k incarnation of nids" you're talking about?  Or Nidzilla?  Or "Gaunts-n-Warriors" swarms?  Could you please elaborate?

Why is it ok for you to post your varient lists but not for E&C to post his?
I believe E&C *HAS* posted his variant list, so I'm not sure what's "not okay" about doing it.  

And, sorry, I'm the Army Champion (along with the invisible Jaldon), so I have to take a hand in directing and focusing things.

E&C's list isn't a 'variant' list, it's an alternate "core" list with different unit stats and special rules, that's something that can *definitely* cause confusion so I've got to take that under consideration.

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Quote: (Chroma @ 16 Jul. 2009, 16:12 )

That's the thing, it's not different at all... *THAT'S* the problem... people get insular or angry, cling to their pet ideas, don't share information, don't play, do argue, split their player base, and have a hard time getting anything completed.

I don't think that's a path I'd want to follow.

That was never the intention.

Always happy to give all lists a go before making a final standpoint on how good or bad it is.

Thanks Chroma for replying. I think we can all move on and the 9.2.1 discussion can be taken to the thread with the same name (the one I started funnily enough)

:;):

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jul. 2009, 13:22 )

Note that pretty much all the miniatures do exist (all the photos are of Epic scale minis!), they're just not comercially available.

So where would one find such lovely miniatures as the MALANTHROPE & TYRANT GUARD?




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Try a time machine, for a few months hence? :)

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Try a time machine, for a few months hence? :)

*takes out the high school physics book*

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Quote: (frogbear @ 16 Jul. 2009, 23:46 )

Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 16 Jul. 2009, 23:37 )

Try a time machine, for a few months hence? :)

*takes out the high school physics book*

It's under the forward motion theory chapter, Patience.

I know you're unfamiliar with the subject.

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Now Morgan

We have talked about this before and you said.....

hang on...no, you havn't had that discussion yet have you?

forget I said anything.

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