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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:09 am 
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Yowzers, all you matter printer types are just summoning brilliance out of thin air!

I'd be very interested in a very, very close look at at least ten of the nashorns, and at least four of his more deadly cousin.

To echo other sentiments, any idea on when they'd be arriving and how we could negotiate an audience with these lovely models?

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:17 am 
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Although orignially note interested i must say these are now tempting, if somewhere like FW were to take them on i'd go for a few predators and such i'm sure...

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:44 am 
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I would love a few as well. Too bad they are not in production.  :sigh:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:22 am 
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If you do go down the metal route am I correct in thinking these plastics aren't actually used in the process, but just serve as test pieces for you? Not worth re-doing if these plastics go to be cast, but if it's CAD data that's submitted and you haven't already sent it any chance you could maybe tweak it slightly before metal-ing? Couple of things I reckon could be better to bring this to perfection:

Could you add a hemispherical indentation to the front of the heavy bolters, as well as the sides, to give the impression of the barrel? They can be properly blacked out in painting, but you can do this easily and neatly if the shape is there rather than having to paint (or drill out) a circle by hand.

Rivets - as I mentioned before the rivets are a bug-bear for me that turns me off the otherwise fabulous model some - they're considerably over-sized and look way too big and clunky, fine for Guard or Orks, but not good for the higher-tech Marine vehicles. We weren't sure if they would before, but now E&Cs bronze cast tanks show his much smaller rivets survived bronzing fine, any chance you could make these the same smaller size please?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:53 am 
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I must confess to de-riveting mine. My marine vehicles are clearly spot welded :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:24 pm 
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Quote: (GlynG @ 03 Jul. 2009, 11:22 )

If you do go down the metal route am I correct in thinking these plastics aren't actually used in the process, but just serve as test pieces for you? Not worth re-doing if these plastics go to be cast, but if it's CAD data that's submitted and you haven't already sent it any chance you could maybe tweak it slightly before metal-ing? Couple of things I reckon could be better to bring this to perfection:

Could you add a hemispherical indentation to the front of the heavy bolters, as well as the sides, to give the impression of the barrel? They can be properly blacked out in painting, but you can do this easily and neatly if the shape is there rather than having to paint (or drill out) a circle by hand.

Rivets - as I mentioned before the rivets are a bug-bear for me that turns me off the otherwise fabulous model some - they're considerably over-sized and look way too big and clunky, fine for Guard or Orks, but not good for the higher-tech Marine vehicles. We weren't sure if they would before, but now E&Cs bronze cast tanks show his much smaller rivets survived bronzing fine, any chance you could make these the same smaller size please?

Hi GlynG,

the Bolters already have a indentation just as you suggested, at least on the side. I did not add one to the front but noted this down if I ever do some parts like this again.

Regarding rivets: I have the prints in front of me and personally I think they are not to big - basically you can barely see them with plain eyes. I will however do some test models and maybe paint one during the next days, then we can have a look at the painted versions to check if you think the rivets are too big.

Basically it boils all down to that: the big 3D models that you can see on pictures are only of limited help when you see the original. I've seen E&Cs models but I still have serious doubts if the 1:1 reproduction of 40k models in details like rivets is the route to go. The bronze of the Malcafloor turned out good but still the pictures are many times the original and I'm not sure if the rivets are still visible with the plain eye. Moreover I'm somewhat skeptical especially regarding painting such detailed models. However, time will tell if my assumption is wrong and if it's ever possible to lay hands on one of the wonderful models from E&C I may have to reconsider :;): .





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:26 pm 
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I agree with Nik.

My Malcafloors are experiments in pushing the limits of what's possible... whether that crosses the line of what's practical is yet to be seen, and should be cautioned against following for the time being.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:57 pm 
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I was actually basing that on the rivets you can see in the photograph of the blue model as much as the CAD:


Personally I prefer things to be to scale, even it it means details may barely or not show up - the overall recognition and accurate look of the tank being more important than exaggerating detail to show IMO. On the painting such detailed models bit, do you expect many painters to hand paint every rivet anyway? I would imagine washes/drybrushes would be the most used techniques and the painted version of E&C's Malcafloor picked up such detail:

Fair enough though. I may just have to file/cut them down in size or cut them off entirely myself. I'm just being a perfectionist and minorly quibbling, it's still a great model! :yes: :D


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:35 pm 
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Very lovely stuff Boyz !  I hope someday to get some of those !  :agree:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:22 pm 
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Did some first test, however due to bubbles I can only use it as a wreck  :)

Sorry for the bad picture but my camera (as well as me maybe) has some problems   :whistle:


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Messed about with the light levels a bit for you to show the details better.

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Absolutely - bloody - fantastic.

Excellent work Nik. Keep it up. Hopefully O-man and E&C might be able to give you some tips for casting in resin.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:37 pm 
The trick to getting good resin casts is the same trick of getting to Carnegie Hall: practice, man, practice.


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Very nice !  :agree:  Nothing wrong with using miscasts as wrecks ... I've done it with bitz I got from O-man.  And really, wrecks on a battlefield could have been sitting there for years too.  There are wrecks of all sorts in the North African Desert left over from WWII.  Not to mention wrecks still sitting in the desert from the 1st Gulf Wars ...  So wrecks are a good thing ... :vD

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Any news what's happening on this project atm Nik?

I'm still working on my Dark Angels atm but my next army will probably be Vraksian in origin, and it could definitely use some Malcador and dis-ordered Rhino proxies...

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