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AMTL 3.14
Chroma
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:29 pm 
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Quote: (Dwarf Supreme @ 23 Jun. 2009, 18:27 )

I guess I'm an oddity. I almost always have mixed weapon loads, surcharge or not.

So why do you go for a mix, and what kind of mix, instead of "focused"?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:57 pm 
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I usually go with one TLD and one VMB.

EDIT: I just noticed I didn't answer your question completely, Chroma. When I have a pair of Warhounds, each is typcially armed with one TLD and one VMB. This gives me both good anti-personnel and anti-tank capability, which is especially handy when targeting mixed formations. And if by chance the Warhounds can sustain, they become that much more deadly, even if all 16 shots are only AT or only AP.




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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:35 am 
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i run my warhounds with what they came with from FW, i didnt do any triksy min/maxing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:13 pm 
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I don't generally do twin loadouts either (and we don't use the tax on twin weapons).

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:17 pm 
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Quote: (Onyx @ 24 Jun. 2009, 14:13 )

I don't generally do twin loadouts either (and we don't use the tax on twin weapons).

'tax' is so emotive.

Try 'surcharge'.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:24 pm 
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I'm not alone in calling it a tax...

I'm not so worried by the wording here, as to make sure all point's of view are heard and accepted.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:52 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 23 Jun. 2009, 17:24 )

Experience has shown that if there's no surcharge, we never see mixed-load or 'standard configuration' Warhounds at all, only oodles of dual fit Warhounds.

I would agree with E&C here.  Min-maxing naturally leads towards dual more "specialised" load-outs.

Simple example.  Two enemy formations are threats that need to be dealt with, one infantry, one armoured vehicles.

If I have two mixed load warhounds each will have one weapon best for dealing with the target they are assigned to.  If I have two dual load warhounds each can be assigned to attack the target that it has two effective weapons against.

As someone mentioned Warhound Titans wouldn't be unusable at 300 points.  So lets say there is a 25 point discount for not using a dual load-out.  :;):
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:56 pm 
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o lets say there is a 25 point discount for not using a dual load-out.


Probably the best way to look at it, as dual loads are generally more common. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:29 pm 
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All the arguements for it should be up somewhere. Basically it was found early on in testing that just like everything else in epic single role is better than multi role. Why have a two warhounds with VMB and TLD and waste half the firepower when firing at an infantry company or tank company? Best to have designed to cope with one type of target. If you need a suicide unit why not give it two PBGs as its a one way trip probably so firing next turn isn't an issue. If you have a 3bp weapon having 6bp gives you an extra blast marker.

And so on.

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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 24 Jun. 2009, 16:29 )

If you have a 3bp weapon having 6bp gives you an extra blast marker.

And an extra template.   :vD

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I should probably chime in here too and say I use mixed loadouts on my warhounds. Plasma and VMB or plasma and TLD to deal with reinforced armor and infantry or vehicles.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:43 pm 
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And the great thing for everyone using nice fluffy mixed load outs is you see no effect from this rule! :)

And an extra template.   :vD


Ah, but not over two warhounds using one each  :p

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But if they are in the same formation then yes :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:55 pm 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 24 Jun. 2009, 11:29 )

Why have a two warhounds with VMB and TLD and waste half the firepower when firing at an infantry company or tank company? Best to have designed to cope with one type of target.

I'm sorry, I guess I don't understand how it's a waste of firepower when both weapons have both AP and AT capability. I'll agree that the TLD is better at AT and the VMB better at AP, but both can fire at all targets.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:15 am 
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Quote: (The_Real_Chris @ 24 Jun. 2009, 23:43 )

And the great thing for everyone using nice fluffy mixed load outs is you see no effect from this rule! :)

And this also denies the observation that players only use twin loadout Warhounds so no need to try and disuade players from doing so with a tax/surcharge.  :)

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