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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:33 am 
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How much work would be involved in making it an open-topped turret? The design would make more sense that way (IMO).

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 9:52 am 
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An open topped version would essentially mean a complete redesign of the turret. Apart from interior detailing we would also need to detail the loading mechanism itself.
It is no secret that modern self propelled howitzers like the Paladin is a major source of inspiration for the design, so I'd sort of prefer to keep it a closed top turret to keep it in line with the original design philosophy (also helps differentiate it from the open toped DRM artillery). Although we did discuss an open topped artillery version at one point, there is another more practical reason why the closed top has some advantages for this particular design:

The tricky bit here is that we are essentially dealing with a fairly tall APC hull where the gun needs to be mounted on top. Most open topped artillery pieces I've seen are flat trackbeds that only need to accomodate a driver. A flat hull makes access to loading mechanisms easy. We're trying to avoid something  that looks like an APC with a gun glued on top and the turret helps to camouflage this (we could assume that recoil and loading mechanisms can extend into the hull). As a comparison try adding an E40k Basilisk gun on top of a Chimera chassis: It looks weird! The Basilisk hull is somewhat lower than the chimera hull to compensate for this.
On the Cyclops mortar we're trying the open topped thingy but ask Otterman how many headaches this has been causing  :laugh: I'll probably need to explain some of the woes once we have a 3d pic ready for you :)

As mentioned earlier, the Modular tank system has some advantages but it also has a few drawbacks since every weapon system need to be made in such a way that it can be mounted on a standard chassis without looking completely out of place. Even though the majority of GWs IG tanks are based on the Chimera chassis it is actually only the Deathstrike and the Manticore that share the exact same hull. The rest have purpose built variant hulls. We're tryig to use the exact same hull for the entire range, so every now and then we do run into trouble :)

Major redesigns like those suggested are unfortunately not possible at this stage, but we could have a look at details like the muzzlebreak. Basically we were just trying out something different not commonly seen on Sci Fi models, but it could be changed to look more like a Paladin muzzle if there's a great demand for it.  :smile:




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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:15 pm 
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I think if you extended the "ammo basket" extension to the turret all the way to the hull deck it would look a more blanced and realistic design.  The turret as it is is clearly too small for that gun.

Muzzle break is just a minor irritant, not a game breaker.  Love all the other designs...but I wouldn't buy this one as it stands.  Just my 2c.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 1:46 pm 
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Here's a quick sketch with a bit of photoshop magic:

The first version as you suggests has the turret counterweight all the way to the hull roof. This however is not possible with the current hull design as we have engine exhausts placed there and it is not really possible to make a turret that will fit over those (unless you want to spend a little time filing off the exhaust vents).

The best we could do would be to extend the counterweight down to about 1 mm above the exhausts. If you then want to close the gap, at bit of putty should do the trick quite nicely.

Either way will require some converting/modelling work, but at least the second option has the choice between converting or not converting for a snug fit.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:11 pm 
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I think the version on the right looks best.

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 4:23 pm 
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Either way ...  :agree:  8v)

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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2009 6:10 pm 
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Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ 22 May 2009, 18:06 )

*chuckles*  :laugh:

Let's just assume that sci-fi artillery have improved recoil dampeners and muzzle brakes that keeps recoils at a minimum. :;):

.. [cough].. rocket assisted projectiles .. [cough].


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:22 pm 
How about this?


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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:49 am 
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:agree:  :agree:  :D  :agree:  :agree:

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:04 am 
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I think WMs one on the left looks ok.  The right version doesn't address the problem for me.  Even without recoil, I still can't imagine how a pivot mechanism and breach block for that sized gun can fit inside that turret....not to mention how you then load the next shell.  (well, short of use of Tardis technology I guess).  

I do recognise the limits of multi-use hulls and don't sweat it, sounds like others are ok with this design.  All comments are aimed at improving the creative output of what look to be a line of extraordinarily good 6mm AFVs.




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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:48 pm 
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Quote: (Carrington @ 23 May 2009, 18:10 )

Quote: (Warmaster Nice @ 22 May 2009, 18:06 )

*chuckles*  :laugh:

Let's just assume that sci-fi artillery have improved recoil dampeners and muzzle brakes that keeps recoils at a minimum. :;):

.. [cough].. rocket assisted projectiles .. [cough].

That sounds like a great idea ... IIRC Hammer's Hogs use RAP rounds too ... And we have those available today also ...  :agree:  8v)  Problem solved ...  :vD

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 4:58 pm 
Shoot, even the Sturmtiger used them.


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Yep ... so it's a go !!  Let's get some Time on Target !!  :agree:  :))

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PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 8:09 pm 
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Quote: (zap123 @ 26 May 2009, 07:04 )

I do recognise the limits of multi-use hulls and don't sweat it, sounds like others are ok with this design.  All comments are aimed at improving the creative output of what look to be a line of extraordinarily good 6mm AFVs.

Don't worry about it Zap. :smile: We did ask for opinions and comments and your critique is certainly well founded. Obviously we have to make some choices along the way and it is not always possible to accomodate all the wishes people have, but please do continue to post feedback on the designs as there's always room for improvement and you might pick out something we've missed :;):

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