Well, my simple fix would be to not allow the broadsides as upgrades in formations that cause problems! But that's just me.

{edit}And I've just remembered that Broadsides are LV anyway! So its 'nids and crisis suits?

I'm still against this; I don't see a pressing need for it at any rate.

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Guys, I am also unsure about whether this is needed, but IF it is, I still think we need to separate the question of targetting the unit(s) from the weapon types.

Making Tyranid Warriors "LV" causes many more problems than it solves:-
- it imposes terrain effects,
- it removes cover effects
- it affects the formation make-up and costs (other "vehicles" must be purchased)
- potentially it makes this kind of swarm non-viable and by extension, has a major impact on the list

The same is true to a lesser extent for Tau Crisis and other "Big" figures.

IF it is needed at all, defining a special rule to cover the desired targetting effects is a far better solution. However, I am still against allowing AT to shoot "Big" targets; this is in effect using a Bazooka to shoot several dispersed figures simultaneously - which seems a nonsense to my poor brain, quite apart from the detrimental effects to the formation make-up and cost.

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don't you think it would be easier to have a special rule in effect that army champs could use in the future? it's much easier to take an established rule and make use of it, like inspiring. then the army champs wouldn't have to worry about creating a needless special rule.

My own 2 cents would be to treat the nids as a separate case (they could have a "shoot the big ones" racial special rule or something) as I agree that it feels wrong Tyranid Warriors and similar falling foul of Terrain effects and similar. I think LV can probably work in the other cases (I can well imagine Obliterators as quite clumsy and a little too big to hide behind some rocks or similar for example).
Time to put my money where my mouth is on that one, after club challenge

Tyranid AVs and LVs are immune to normal dangerous terrain, so, no Warriors knocking themselves out on tree limbs or anything... *laugh*

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I use this quote as a general example.
this is in effect using a Bazooka to shoot several dispersed figures simultaneously

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Really don't think this is necessary - any small benefits are far outweighed by the testing needed and the confusion this would produce

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What confusion? Imho it will be only used for units which are still in developement.
It's not more confusing than LV:

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Confusion as in weekly threads of why isn't A a HI - that it came before HI was invented is a pretty poor reply.
Doesnt seem a huge amount of support for it anyway

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Doesn`t seem to be a huge amount of refusal anyway  

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You must be reading a different thread then

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There is a little potential for confusion/questions either way, but it's only a minor tweak from Light Infantry + ignore dangerous terrain for them anyway and IMO there needs to be stronger need/support to bring in a new generic rule change, the tyranid army champion doesn't seem to see the need for it, nor do a lot of people.

This is all about large infantry being able to be shot at by AT weapons. The two methods are essentially

1) LV and "Agile" (Essentially LV can move as infantry)
2) INF plus some vulnerable to AT fire rule (ie "Big").

As it stands the Tyranids are going to use LV plus "Agile".

As a way to look at stands of infantry larger than standard infantry (ie ~2+ times taller and 2-3 models per stand) which is preferable.

If everyone is comfortable that this remains a limited to Nids rule and will not be used in any future list then nothing needs to be done. If some list in the future wants to have larger infantry represented in this way then it would be better to agree on a method to do it and put a rule in place now (Either a new ability or new unit designation).

For "in development" lists, the Tau Crisis and Broadside suits seem to be something that would belong in this catagory, whatever it might be.

From "released" lists, only the Black Legion Obliterators seem to be in consideration.

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