And guess who just got a warning for absentmindedly clicking that...  

Re: the rather heated exchanges in this thread, I'm sure this is just another situation where people read too much into comments, mistakenly assume others intent etc, and things snowball to a point they would not have done in real life. If everyone could just chill and tone down the exchanges that would be lovely. Members and/or other Moderators might like to edit some posts...

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Hymirl is perfectly within his rights to give his reasons for not liking the existing tournaments, and he's perfectly within his rights to express his happiness at the idea of a self-professed more friendly tournament. This shouldn't be considered an attack on anyone; people do like different sides of the game.

I happen to agree with the gist of his comments, if not the bluntness with which he put them. The "tournament mentality" doesn't generally gel well with me, and I enjoy friendly, less competitive games more. There's nothing wrong with this, and it's not an attack on those who prefer a more hardcore aproach.

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I'm going to re-iterate here to hymirl and also to zombocon. I've never detected WAAC it any tournament. I do believe I have detected some bad attitude on occasion, but never from any regulars. For a competitive environment, most folk really do go out of the way to be sporting. At the very least for example, most players will point out a rule that you may have forgotten that is not to their advantage. Rather than hold their tongue and keep schtum they'll tell you about it. At the very least!

If MoK's event is to be a tournament, using the tournament scenario and experimental tournamentlists, I can't see how it it will be any different or friendlier to any other tournament I've played. The only caveat being that list balance is not well known, so you can't read too much into the position you have achieved: If you come top can you take all the credit? If you come bottom is the list to blame more than you? etc etc.

Alternately we could play a campaign and lovely fluffy scenarios.

I can understand people not wanting to play tournaments where the attendees behave like spoiled twelve year old brats; cheating, crying, bitching. Epic isn't like that. Most folk are very mature and good natured.

This might sound a little aggressive, but is it rather the case that some folk just can't stand losing?
As I've mentioned before, I've been battered many times, and come bottom on three occasions. I don't turn around and say I'm never playing epic like this again! First I've had great fun. Second I hope I can learn from the experience and improve my game (and I amimproving). MoK can tell anyone who asks the same thing.

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I don't know, I have a day off sick and all this happens. Peace & Love people, peace & love.

I am sure that BWW will be a brilliant gathering of like minded toy soldier game players don't let these posts put you down MoK.

I'd consider allowing first round grudge matches, they let players who are good friends but rarely get to play each other have a game and have a bit of banter. I miss those days.

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Lets just all try to chill and let it drop. I'm not interested who started it or debating who's right, but continuing the discussion could put people off.

Moving the thread back into happier topics... this tournament and the army list availability has inspired me to expand my planned Epic Comp 2009 entry from just a display piece into an impressive centre-piece for a whole army Just what I need, to buy an all new army on top of all the others yes yes!

Are 'Grudge Matches' normal at tournaments? I quite like the idea of random opponents and more chances for people to play new opponents than people they know, but whatever is fine really.

From Jeridians Flame On site This is a game about war not a war about a game

right...I'm going to step in here as the starter of the thread and, as the person who suggested this event, make my opinion clear: I do not believe, nor have i ever found the UK epic tournament scene to be made of anything other than sporting, friendly gamers who so happen to be at a tournament.  THe aim of the game (at a tournamnet) is to win and all armies can be beaten somehow but i've never not enjoyed a game. In short i beleive any comments about a win at all costs mentality to be unfounded.
I really do appreciate the help that Alan (Hymirl's) and the Bristol Vanguard have offered in making this event a success but i have to agree that i feel the discussion that people have just had DO put a downer on things a little; i would therefore ask two things:

1: No more discussion of the subject (if people REALLY want to discuss such things i'll not hamper free speech but please start another thread)

2: That (if they feel like it) people discuss any seeming grievances via PM or another topic. For the record I mean no insult to Al and will be PMing him too.

I may attempt to facilitate the removal of the discussion on this thread (including this post) by talking to those involved but if people feel strongly that this is a hampering of thier feelings then it will have to remain.

Please do not reply to this post by anything other than via PM.


i'm off to play a jester for the evening hours of thurs-sun but will keep a check on the thread during the day.

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Has Dave T ever written any Marine tactica articles or anything?  Other than his famous luck, what's he doing so *right* with Marines that makes him unstoppable?

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Back on track :-)

Just done a count and we have 10 interested parties so far: Should imagine i'll be sitting this one out to run things (obviously) and I know some other bristolian would like to get involved.  May cap the numbers at 20.

As for list composition etc I will be making a note in the event guidelines about how i envision this tournament working and may attempt to introduce an additional scoring system for how balanced people feel thier opponents lists are (though this is subjective) in terms of the 'friendly' tournament athmosphere i'd like for a Winter Warmer event. I'd like to hear opinions for and against this idea.

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You could factor balanced/fair lists into the value a person gives for sportsmanship. If they think the list is extremely over competitive then dock a few points. Or you could create a special prize where people vote for the most true-to-fluff army. (You're Khornate L&D army would surely have won such a prize at OW for example MoK)

On the note of sportsmanship: If anyone wants an idea about how sporting epic tournaments are, virtually everyone get's full points in virtually every tournament. See FSA09 results for an example.
If WAAC was evident then surely we'd see a greater variety in sports scores?

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Ryan , regarding lists. Why not have interested players ( nearer the event) post the list and version they want to use and let everyone attending have the chance to voice any concerns on them.