My reasoning for the SR change is largely because I have played the Necrons extensively at SR 1 with no Supreme Commander, and found the list vastly more balanced because it gave opponents the chance to react before the slow moving necrons somehow got the leap on them... At SR 3 armies like guard have very little chance against a correctly deployed turn 1 teleport horde.

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on the topic of point values for the monolith formations lets stick w/ 200 for monolith/obelisk and 250 for 3 monoliths. i can see the reasoning behind 275 but honestly is 3 portals that great? has anyone ever taken more then 2 in a single fromation? the only thing it really gives you is a back up. 250 points is very reasonable.
wraiths- are we to decide to keep it as is (w/ possible stat change) or move to an upgrade?  i like the idea as an upgrade since the pariah was the only CC option (granted the others aren't bad just not as good) but you could only have one. this would be a cheaper option. that being said it might be a lot of rule changes when a simple one line stat change might be better. as far as the stat change i like the CC4+ w/ extra attack.
pylon- keep the price as is for now. it's still a very good unit... if it's not broken.

Well then, that's not much better. You're effectively "punishing" people for not taking a C'tan or a Warbarque.

If Corey wants the army to have SR3, fine, but then the formations need to be appropriately costed at SR3 all the time, not only when you take a C'tan or Warbarque.

And I still think SR1 would be better in order to balance the massive amount of teleporting and/or "portalling" formations.

The army is much more balanced at SR1.

SR3 is simply overpowered.

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This is just the opinion from someone who hasn't gamed with or against Necrons - so shouldn't be given too much weight - but I think a lower SR would be a good idea myself too and would also have the benefit of being a blanket drop to balance them, hence needing less changes elsewhere to make them more balanced - assuming the opinion I have seen here that they a bit overpowered is correct. Hopefully Corey can pop up at some point to join the debate properly.

Make changed where needed obviously, but hopefully not too many will be necessary, so that the printed Raiders book and the structure of people's armies will not too different and out of date. Will future print runs actually be updated to the amended rules or will they still be the original by the way? Little OT but was there a note in the painting section about it possibly being updated in future with pictures of new models and conversions people might have come up with since too or did I imagine that? (not that the existing ones aren't fantastic, informative and inspirational as is because they really are)

GlynG, you've brought up some good points and questions.  I'm going to hold off on any more comments on the SR until Corey can get on here.  I don't mind filling in the blanks for him when he is busy but I've done all I can at this point without stepping on his toes as the Necron Army Champ.

As for Raiders, you are sort of correct.  We were going to update the pdf at some undefined point in the future with new pictures, stat updates, etc.  But all that was planned before we ever considered actually printing a bound version of the book.  Now things are a bit different.  While we could update just the pdf, the people who have the books would be feeling rather slighted.  Doing another print run would be expensive and I don't know if there would be a demand for an updated Raiders this early in the game.  Then there are the lists themselves which -while I hope they don't- could change again after this next set of revisions.  Ginger brought up the same thing and I came to the decision that if we did an updated print run it would be several years from now.

One thing that I think is lost on some players is that the goal is to balance the lists and leave them alone... FOREVER.  Think about how long it took for the core lists to get an update and how long it will probably be for them to get another one, if an update is even warranted.  

So getting back to your point, when the revisions for all three lists are done, I will publish a small pdf (one page probably) that I will email to everybody who ordered Raiders.  Ginger recommended printing the page out on some nice paper and including it with some of the larger Siege orders that will be going out.  This isn't a bad idea and I would do it if the timing worked out.

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I wonder how difficult it would be to have some stickers printed, that could simply be stuck over the changed entiries.

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That's all fine and makes sense, I was just curious and hadn't realised Raiders wasn't originally envisaged to be printed.

Yup - it was an afterthought.  MY intention was to go down to Kinko's run off about 20 copies on some nice paper and velo-bind them then give them to my buddies.  But I think Ginger or Pixelgeek or maybe somebody else suggested a larger print run.  Then Orkybob came up with the idea of givng the profits to the American Cancer Society to avoid making money on the endeavor (a key to satisfying GW IP directives).  

Stickers? I wonder how people would feel about that?  

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Since we have this lovely web space provided by CS what about adding Errata/FAQ entries on the Raiders page?

Having bought the book I wouldn't mind if you released 4 stand alone documents, one for each updated army list along with the quick ref, and an errata pdf for typos and such. I purchased the book for reference, anticipating that the army lists would probably need changing.

It's not like we'd be twisting anyone's arm to use the new updates. But it would keep this community happy to have more tested lists.

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Let's move this discussion to the thread on supplements.

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back on topic, can anyone tell me a reason for the variable SR.
couldn't that same reason be used for just about any army out there? don't you think a chaos warrior would fight better if his god was on the battlefield w/ him?
seriously, we're talking about robots here. i could kick him in the jimmy or pat him on the back and his reaction would be the same.
it's a special rule that's just not needed.

My proposal:

Pylons should be 150cm, TK6, but only if they're purchased from me. In groups of a dozen.

considering the size of them that would probably be realistic.

I was having a conversation last night with a friend who still plays, about how W40k has got really bad for 'Codex Creep' these days, with the ever less subtle influences of 'We want money! - make them buy lots more new figures' being seen present in the rules, army selections and point values of the newer ones.

Now it's got epic too Aaaaaaaaaaah! Run for the hills! The pylons are coming!