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PostPosted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:45 pm 
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Are they needed for "friendly" games? Hardly. But rules can't assume that all games are friendly, so they are there for those less than "sportsmen" like gamers.  

Can you win against those less than "kosher" army lists? Sure. I did it all the time in the old days. But not everyone is an expert, nor plays so much that they know the way to handle it.


When we started Epic our now current Chaos player John went through a period of power-gaming that escalated the group into a power-gaming arms race... this eventually burnt itself out. We never refused to play (some games did break down mid flow) and we learned a lot from even these games... I felt that the games I won this way to be less fun however and I guess eventually so did John. The point is though that we did learn to overcome these types of armies effectively and became much better players but with what I think of as a stagnant list I have grave doubts that new players ever will. They are more likely to just learn a stayed and stunted style of play that to me seems less imaginative and maybe even tame. Is this what you want for the new players?.. To play something less than we had?.. I know that isn't your intended objective. Has the possibility been considered though?

...What!.. Too dramatic huh?.. Damn and I was going for passionate.  :tongue:




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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:50 pm 
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Time to give the thread some more life...

My Spacewolf army is getting along nicely, left to do are basing,markings and the warlord titan that will support them.

BUT I've hit a snagg I havent figured out a good way of marking the spacewolfs!

How would you mark a landraider company? I were thinking of just letting them be and instead give the bases different colors on the four sides after I've based them to give them their detachments...
but how should I mark the landraider HQ?

I've found some old watermarkings (I think they are for 40k) that might work on the landraiders or rhinos, but I dont think I have enough for 28 rhinos

The army consists of:
800 Great Company
100 * Wolfpriest
150 Whirlwind Detachment

800 Great Company
100 * Wolfpriest
150 Whirlwind Detachment

750 Landraider Company
725 * Warlord Titan with Chainfist/Wrecker/Fire Control Center/Plasma Cannon
175 Bloodclaw Attackbike Detachment
250 Bloodclaw Landspeeder Detachment

I'll try to post some pictures tomorrow of 'em, the titan is half painted but Im unsure of how to complete the colorscheme so its standing halfcomplete right now =) (its a white-golden god-emperor warrior ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:47 pm 
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Hey Malleus,

Look forward to seeing your Great Company, the Titan sounds great too.

Have you thought about whip aerials for the HQ's. Commanders hanging out the top hatch... Flags and/or Water Transfers are good too and for the common Rhino just a design on the top hatch or side hatches. Numbers on turrets (when appropriate) look great on tanks too, IMO...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:29 am 
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abit late, but images of the spacewolfs as they are right now
The librarians are supposed to be wolfpriests, I think they are the model thats most suitable as priest models
The Bikes are standins for Bloodclaw Attackbikes as I dont have any yet







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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:51 am 
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Would be great if EW or DRM produced a set of Bikes with Sidecars!!!  (Hint, hint )

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:29 pm 
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w00t!

I just unpacked 2 of my warlords and 3 warlock and 2 phantom titans that I bought some time ago
and lo and behold, they included
2 Firecontrol Centers
6 Carapace multilasers
1 power saw (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c211 ... arts-h.htm)
1 Deathstrike cannon (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c211 ... arts-h.htm)
1 Khorne hound head (http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c211 ... arts-h.htm)

and also 2 Tremor cannons, so I can make a phantom or warlock with dual tremors!
/me so happy!
I were going to do my FCC using the plastic multilauncher and attach some small guns to it, but now I dont have to ;)

what are the rules for the powersaw and the khorne hound head and the deathstrike head?





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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:40 am 
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Power saw is the same as a chainfist.  Deathstrike head is a mega barrage, but has downsides.  The Hound head is just a head...no rules needed :-)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:04 am 
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I suppose you could use the hound head as a close combat head... just by saying that's what it's for... nice find BTW.

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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:47 pm 
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I've never managed to understand 2 things in the chaos list
1. how many chaos rewardcards do I get from the Primarches (are they considered a greater daemon?)
2. Do I get 3 rewardcards for each Lord of battle as they are Greater Deamon hulls...
Clarification of these rules in the gold ed would be awesome if someone is sees this post ;)

and flier rules are just to powerfull, I wanted to do a tzeentch army with models I have over and got this:
------ Tzeentch 4000p ------
REWARDS: 13 + sons special Chaos Rewards
300 Tzeentch Lord of Change 3
300 Magnus the Red, Primarch of Tzeentch 3
600 Thousand Sons Century Unique (25cm ranged Wortex missile)
150 Mark of Tzeentch on Automatons--^
50 Rhino Squad
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
350 2 Silver Towers of Tzeentch 1
350 2 Silver Towers of Tzeentch 1
250 3 Doom Wing 1
250 3 Doom Wing 1
100 Flamer pack
200 Tzeentch Disc Raiders
200 Tzeentch Disc Raiders


with the flierrules as is, this seems obscenely good, though I might be wrong about that I guess...
(btw have I calculated the reward-cards correctly?)

--------- Khorne 4000p ---------
REWARDS: 9
300 Bloodthirster of Khorne 3
550 Lord of Battle/Doom Burner/Deathstorm 3
550 Lord of Battle/Doom Burner/Deathstorm 3
700 Banelord Titan
200 Cannon of Khorne Detachment
200 Cannon of Khorne Detachment
300 3 Tower of skulls
300 3 Brass Scorpions
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Bloodletters
150 Khorne Bloodletters
150 Chaos Dreadnaughts


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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 8:39 pm 
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as I almost use this as my own Wiki too I thought I'd update my supposed Eldar lists with 2 finalists
now I only have to try an puzzle together an ulthiwe Guardian based list with 1 titan and ALOT of artillery with the pieces I have left at my disposal (which is 0 Falcons and no jetbikes..) I do have a shitload of Fireprisms and waveserpents.. but thats not the same now is it...

Rule question: Does anyone think that Wraithguards/Wraithlords within 10cm of a Warlock Titan should recieve orders? (Does the Warlock titan give the same benefit as a Warlock stand?)
I think they should fluffwise, all those warlocks and seers in the titan they should have someone directing troops around the titans, including waystone spirits..

What you guys think? (ps. the windriders are just to good to leave behind, and the harlequin masque seemed fun)

The Iyanden couldnt field any real troops and the only eldars that answered their call to battle were the Windriders ;)

The wandering Alaitoc have a better relationship with the harlequins and are thus able to call on a full Masque even if they arent fighting Chaos

*update* Ulthiwe army added, now I almost no eldar forces left in my hidingplace ^_^ and im not entirely sure I have enough regular guardians for 3 full Ulthive hosts... time will tell

-= Iyanden 4000p with Saim-Hann windriders =-
500 Iyanden Wraith Host
450 Falcon Host
450 Falcon Host
650 Windrider Host

720* Warlock Titan with 2x Tremor Cannon & 2x Winglasers
550* Warlock Titan with Powerfist,Heat Lancex 2x Missile Wings
125* Warlock + Command Falcon
125* Warlock + Command Falcon

200 Wraithlords
125 Dire Avengers
100 Fire Dragons


= 3995p

-= Alaitoc 4000p with Harlequin Masque =-
550 Jetbike Host
450 Falcon Host
900 Tempest Host

400* Exarch
400* Exarch
100 Alaitoc Rangers
100 Alaitoc Rangers
150 Swooping hawks
150 Firestorm AA
150 Waveserpent Squadron

650 Harlequin Masque (using 8x Harlequins, 4x Darkreapers (as deathjesters) and ? as a greater Harlequin...
150 Shadowseer OR Venom Squadron
= 4000p


-= Ulthwe Craftworld 4000p =-
Primary Assault Host
700* Warlock Titan / 2x PsyCannon / 2x Wing LasCannon
450 Ulthiwe Black Guardian Host
150 Waveserpent Squadron Support 1
150 Striking Scorpions
50 Fireprism
50 Fireprism

Secondary Assault Host
625* Phantom Titan with D-Cannon PulseCannon & 2x Missile Wings
450 Ulthiwe Black Guardian Host
150 Waveserpent Squadron
150 Striking Scorpions
50 Fireprism
50 Fireprism

Heavy Support Host
125* Warlock + Command Falcon
450 Ulthiwe Black Guardian Host
100 Bright Lance Battery
100 Bright Lance Battery
100 Bright Lance Battery
50 Fireprism
50 Fireprism





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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 5:11 am 
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Quote: (Malleus @ 01 May 2009, 13:47 )

I've never managed to understand 2 things in the chaos list
1. how many chaos rewardcards do I get from the Primarches (are they considered a greater daemon?)
2. Do I get 3 rewardcards for each Lord of battle as they are Greater Deamon hulls...
Clarification of these rules in the gold ed would be awesome if someone is sees this post ;)

and flier rules are just to powerfull, I wanted to do a tzeentch army with models I have over and got this:
------ Tzeentch 4000p ------
REWARDS: 13 + sons special Chaos Rewards
300 Tzeentch Lord of Change 3
300 Magnus the Red, Primarch of Tzeentch 3
600 Thousand Sons Century Unique (25cm ranged Wortex missile)
150 Mark of Tzeentch on Automatons--^
50 Rhino Squad
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
300 Tzeentch Fire Lord 1
350 2 Silver Towers of Tzeentch 1
350 2 Silver Towers of Tzeentch 1
250 3 Doom Wing 1
250 3 Doom Wing 1
100 Flamer pack
200 Tzeentch Disc Raiders
200 Tzeentch Disc Raiders


with the flierrules as is, this seems obscenely good, though I might be wrong about that I guess...
(btw have I calculated the reward-cards correctly?)

--------- Khorne 4000p ---------
REWARDS: 9
300 Bloodthirster of Khorne 3
550 Lord of Battle/Doom Burner/Deathstorm 3
550 Lord of Battle/Doom Burner/Deathstorm 3
700 Banelord Titan
200 Cannon of Khorne Detachment
200 Cannon of Khorne Detachment
300 3 Tower of skulls
300 3 Brass Scorpions
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Juggernauts
150 Khorne Bloodletters
150 Khorne Bloodletters
150 Chaos Dreadnaughts

Primarchs are GDs, so 3 cards just like normal.  LoB is a GD so 3 cards for each one.

Make sure you are using the alternate Flyer rules.  Under the standard rules that Tzeentch army would be one unstoppable (and highly whiffy) army.  Even using the more balanced rules it is still a highly whiffy army  :whistle:

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PostPosted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:37 am 
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exactly, I hope there are some alternative flyer rules included in the gold edition


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:35 pm 
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Selfnote for when the wargames minatures arrives
3xtombspider or Platinum lord? tombspiders are 3 but non hq ...

-= Necron Raiding force 4000p =-
(+ 4 Heavy Offboards that the Lords can call down (if it needs to be taken as a support card that is used up after being called...)

500 Warrior Company - stand:37 phaseout:27 -
 50* Tombspider
250 Necron Imortal Phalanx
250 Necron Imortal Phalanx
150 Necron Pariah Phalanx

400 Destroyer Company - stand:25 phaseout:18 -
 50* Tombspider
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
200 Necron Wraith Phalanx

400 Destroyer Company - stand:25 phaseout:18 -
 50* Tombspider
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
250 Heavy Destroyer Phalanx
200 Necron Wraith Phalanx

== 4000p

should realy add Immortals to the Destroyer companies to beef em up some, but doesnt fit there so I wont


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:15 am 
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Looks pretty cool.  The implacable horde of Necrons marching across the board would be cool.  Let us know when they hit the table and how well they do!

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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:17 pm 
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Quote: (zap123 @ 18 May 2009, 01:15 )

Looks pretty cool.  The implacable horde of Necrons marching across the board would be cool.  Let us know when they hit the table and how well they do!

Well that depends on wargames factory I guess, hopefully they'll get enough orders to produce the little buggers! =D


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