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Warmaster Nice
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:49 pm 
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Petite crabe needs head (heh heh)
Petite crabe needs body / weapon hole analysis


You dirty Otter you... :p :D ;)

Don't worry about the delay. Good things are worth waiting for. I certainly can't wait to get the crabs (dammit, now you have me started too...)

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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:35 pm 
And the tankette must be very good, because there's an additional delay. Not only is Todd Boyce really busy with his real-work (some sort of Hollywood SFX), but the printer has developed another freak-out and needs some replacement parts.

Plus he's agreed to do some work with Steve Cole (Starfleet Battles, ADB). I strongly dislike that guy (Cole, not Todd).

I would like to take this opportunity to point out to Reaver that you don't have these problems with classic greenstuff sculpting.

Other progress:
First half of Hadrian mold poured.
First half of small dropship turrets mold poured.
Arrangements made for missing dropship double barrel turret (loaner).
Trying to get dropship bridge section to cast, airflow issues.
Second pour of mold containing forward sropship landing gear and single barrel turret.
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farseer
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:58 am 
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Put me down for a bunch of "tankettes" as well...DKoK are close to reality rather than proxy.  WOO HOO!

Again..absolutley great work O-man!
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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:57 pm 
Gentlemen, I bring you intruiging news.

Last night I jammed some greenstuff into an old Bison mold. I then assembled the mold and encased it in 6.022 * 10^23 rubber bands.
This morning I had a greenstuff Bison!

Problems:
The barrel doesn't have much structural strength. Solution: metal rod should have been placed in mold and greenstuff formed around it.
The greenstuff was super sticky and pulled pieces of the mold off. Solutions: use fresher mold (that mold was just about dead anyway). Use Ease-Release.

Implications:
When I visit and show them the robot bug and tankette, I'll show them a greenstuff thingy and ask if it is viable for vulcanization.
If so, then I could conceivably use PrintAPart to cheaply and quickly create prototypes, mold them in my traditional way, then greenstuff the mold.
This would result in metal-production-ready prototypes. Wheee!
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Dwarf Supreme
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:09 pm 
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Cool.  8v)

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 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:56 pm 
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Interesting ...  :blues:  :agree:

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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:28 pm 
Name                    When        3D Technique    Result / Status
----------------------------------------------------------
Necron Pylon            Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Monolith                Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Obelisk                 Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Zombie Euro Robot Symbol Mid 2008   Acu-Cast        Short term production, molds deprecated

Arma enclosure          Aug 2008    NinjaMagic      Success! Travelling abroad
Arma weapons            Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Success!
  Artillery
  Mortar
  Flak

Zombie robot pillars    Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Success!
ZR control point        Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Success!
ZR summoning core       Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Fiddly
ZR Gauss turrets        Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Failure, too small

Starfire DD             Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Failure, resolution too low, crappy model

Tiny gothic window      Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Success!

S-61 Bison tank         Nov 2008    GrowIt          Acceptable, in production $2.50 each

War Machine of Antiquity Sep 2008    NinjaMagic     Travelling abroad
Robot bug              Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Mold OK. Investigating metal production
Heckhammer, small      Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Adequate, rivet loss, crappy mold
Heckhammer, large      Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Adequate, 1 rivet loss, crappy mold
Kess battle tender
  Bridge              Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Made 12 copies
  Body                Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Made 12 copies
  Engine              Feb 2009    MinjaMagic      Bronze OK, awaiting siege tankette for shipping

Siege tankette         Feb 2009    NinjaMagic      Awaiting repair of NinjaMagic machine
Zombie robot turret    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      2 molds successful
Nectaris Nashorn       Jan 2009    NinjaMagic      Hull, cannon mold successful
Large Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart
Round Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart
Small Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart
Small Kirche door      Jan 2009    PrintAPart
F&E counter             ?          PrintAPart       My answer to Steve Cole's bad attitude
Variant Bison turrets  Jan 2009    PrintAPart


Designed, in print queue              
----------------------------------------------------------
Petite Crabe            Feb 2009    NinjaMagic      Debating hardpoints with NinjaMagic
Anargo Manticore        ?           Acu-Cast        Original design by CELS
Square windowed wall    ?           Acu-Cast        Undamaged gothic window sections

In Design              
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Krieg-looking Gorgon                                Ramp designed
Vestrii scout

In flux / awaiting outcome of prior experiments
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More wall sections, architecural components
Zombie Robot skimmers


Probable Nectaris Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Slagger (Tank destroyer)
Grizzly tank


Probable Krieg-looking Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Minotaur
Valdor
Heavy field artillery
Medium field artillery


Probable Starfire Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Kess battle rider


Lower priority Nectaris Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Hawkeye anti-air
Octopus (MLRS)
Polar Bear tank
Titan tank
Lenet tank
Falcon close space priority fighter


Lower priority Starfire Designs
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Vestrii cruiser
Vestrii fleet carrier
TFN light cruiser
TFN heavy cruiser
TFN battlecruiser
TFN SD
Orion CV
Gorm battleship
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TwilightWalker
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 6:42 pm 
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Soo much shinyyyyy..... :wow:  :wow:
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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:53 am 
And here we see the greenstuff experiment. Note the little bits of silicon stuck here and there, and the nasty layers.

PrintAPart has better resolution.
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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:30 pm 
Quote: (Otterman @ 09 Oct. 2008, 10:15 )

The Forge World Stormsword has a volume of 18cc. Since the Warbarque and an imperial superheavy are both DC3, this should be the target size.

The Warbarque has proportions of approximately 1:1:2.5. Solving for the cube root, that means the final dimensions will be slightly under 2cm x 2cm x 5cm. 20cc will cost approximately $500 for a bronze investment cast.

If I panelize the design, and assume that the panels are about 4mm thick, this will create an internal hollow 1.2cm x 1.2cm x 4.2cm = 6cc, reducing the cost to $400.

3mm walls give a hollow of 1.4cm x 1.4cm x 4.4cm = 8.6cm, reducing the cost to $320.

Update: with the discovery that PrintAPart can supply the necessary resolution at $10 per cc, this project becomes feasible again. As if I needed more projects.

What are you guys waiting for? Learn MoI or Rhino or something.
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Otterman
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:48 pm 
Name                    When        3D Technique    Result / Status
----------------------------------------------------------
Necron Pylon            Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Monolith                Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Obelisk                 Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Zombie Euro Robot Symbol Mid 2008   Acu-Cast        Short term production, molds deprecated

Arma enclosure          Aug 2008    NinjaMagic      Needs new molds
Arma weapons            Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Needs new molds, should make
 Artillery                                         vulcanizable
 Mortar
 Flak

Zombie robot pillars    Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        In production $0.75 each
ZR control point        Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        In production $3 each
ZR summoning core       Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Fiddly
ZR Gauss turrets        Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Failure, too small
ZR Gauss turrets 2      Dec 2008   PrintAPart      In production, $1.50 each

Starfire DD             Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Failure, resolution too low, crappy model

Tiny gothic window      Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Success. Master broken, molds expended.
                                                  Strips available, $0.25 each

S-61 Bison tank         Nov 2008   GrowIt          Acceptable, in production $2.50 each

War Machine of Antiq   Sep 2008  NinjaMagic        Molds underway
Robot bug              Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Metal production. PM for quote.
Heckhammer, small      Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Adequate, rivet loss, crappy mold
Heckhammer, large      Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Adequate, 1 rivet loss, crappy mold
Kess battle tender
 Bridge               Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Made 12 copies
 Body                 Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Made 12 copies
 Engine               Feb 2009    MinjaMagic      In production

Siege tankette         Feb 2009    NinjaMagic      Awaiting repair of NinjaMagic machine
Nectaris Nashorn       Jan 2009    NinjaMagic      Hull, cannon mold successful
Large Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      Needs redesign with backing
Round Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      Needs redesign with backing
Small Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Small Kirche door      Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
F&E counter             ?          PrintAPart      Inconclusive
Variant Bison turrets  Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Gorgonzola             Mar 2009    PrintAPart      Too large. Planning reprint.
Vestrii cruiser        Feb 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Vestrii corvette       Mar 2009    PrintAPart      Needs molding
Tankette               Mar 2009    NinjaMagic      Metal production. PM for quote.


Designed, in print queue              
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Petite Crabe            Mar 2009    NinjaMagic      Awaiting NinjaMagic
Anargo Manticore        ?           PrintAPart      Original design by CELS
Square windowed wall    ?           Acu-Cast        Undamaged gothic window sections


In Design              
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Saltshaker artillery piece and carriage
EW secret project


Probable Nectaris Designs
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Slagger (Tank destroyer)
Grizzly tank


Probable Krieg-looking Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Minotaur
Valdor
Heavy field artillery
Medium field artillery


Probable Starfire Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Kess battle rider (will probably have to be outsourced)
Vestrii cruiser


Lower priority Nectaris Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Hawkeye anti-air
Octopus (MLRS)
Polar Bear tank
Titan tank
Lenet tank
Falcon close space priority fighter


Lower priority Starfire Designs
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Vestrii fleet carrier
TFN light cruiser
TFN heavy cruiser
TFN battlecruiser
TFN SD
Orion CV
Gorm battleship
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madd0ct0r
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:31 am 
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Quote: (Otterman @ 13 Mar. 2009, 15:30 )

[quote="Otterman,09 Oct. 2008, 10:15 "]

What are you guys waiting for? Learn MoI or Rhino or something.

aye captin!

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Vermis
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 1:23 pm 
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Quote: (Otterman @ 13 Mar. 2009, 15:30 )

What are you guys waiting for? Learn MoI or Rhino or something.

Can't run any on this crappy old hunk of junk, or I'd be on it like white on rice. :sad:  I'd have to go analogue.

(And I have no idea of what most those things should look like, or similar to...)
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Otterman
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:35 pm 
Name                    When        3D Technique    Result / Status
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Necron Pylon            Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Monolith                Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Obelisk                 Mid 2007    Stratasys 3D    Utter failure
Zombie Euro Robot Symbol Mid 2008   Acu-Cast        Short term production, molds deprecated

Arma enclosure          May 2009    NinjaMagic      Tooling for metal production
Arma weapons            Aug 2008    Acu-Cast        Needs new molds, should make
Artillery                                           vulcanizable
Mortar
Flak

Zombie robot pillars    Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        In production $0.75 each
ZR control point        Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        In production $3 each
ZR summoning core       Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Fiddly
ZR Gauss turrets        Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Failure, too small
ZR Gauss turrets 2      Dec 2008   PrintAPart      In production, $1.50 each

Tiny gothic window      Aug 2008   Acu-Cast        Success. Master broken, molds expended.
                                                  Strips available, $0.25 each

S-61 Bison tank         Apr 2009   NinjaMagic      Redesign being printed
Hadrian artillery       Apr 2009   NinjaMagic      Redesign being printed

Robot bug              Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Metal production. PM for quote.
Large Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      Needs redesign with backing
Round Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      Needs redesign with backing
Small Kirche window    Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Small Kirche door      Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Variant Bison turrets  Jan 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Heckhammer, medium     Apr 2008    PrintAPart      Mold half poured
Gorgonzola             Jun 2009    PrintAPart      Revised design being printed
Saltshaker artillery   Jun 2009    PrintAPart      In print
Vestrii cruiser        Feb 2009    PrintAPart      In production
Vestrii corvette       Apr 2009    PrintAPart      Mold half poured
TFN Light cruiser      Apr 2009    PrintAPart      In print
Kess battle tender     Dec 2008    NinjaMagic      Made 12 copies
Tankette               Mar 2009    NinjaMagic      Metal production. PM for quote.
Petite Crabe           Apr 2009    NinjaMagic      Metal tooling underway
War Machine of Antiq   Apr 2009    NinjaMagic      Limited resin copies available. Metal tooling underway
EW MBT                 ? 2009      PrintAPart      Prototypes and casts en route


Designed, in print queue              
----------------------------------------------------------
Anargo Manticore        ?           PrintAPart      Original design by CELS
Square windowed wall    ?           Acu-Cast        Undamaged gothic window sections


In Design              
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Starfire DD redesign   May 2009
Nectaris Slagger       May 2009


Probable Nectaris Designs
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Grizzly tank


Probable Krieg-looking Designs
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Minotaur
Valdor
Mortar cannon for artillery piece


Probable Starfire Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Kess battle rider (will probably have to be outsourced)
Vestrii cruiser


Lower priority Nectaris Designs
----------------------------------------------------------
Hawkeye anti-air
Octopus (MLRS)
Polar Bear tank
Titan tank
Lenet tank
Falcon close space priority fighter


Lower priority Starfire Designs
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Vestrii fleet carrier
TFN heavy cruiser
TFN battlecruiser
TFN SD
Orion CV
Gorm battleship
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Bunny
 Post subject: Next up for 3D land
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:16 am 
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O'man,

A great working list!

Love anything IG or Chaos?

Any mor thoughts on that Lander you were thiking of?

Sorry if answer is already popsted but juts caught this thread.
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