Nor would I because it would make the AX-1-0 too generalist (no matter how tempting it might be).

IMHO This is one of those points where we need to abstract the 'fluff' into stats that reflect the intended use of the aircraft. Otherwise you might as well drop the distinction and just have a single A/c type.

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Thanks Shmitty

So the summary of the formation is :-

Tigershark (Bomber) (225)
~2.3 AP hits
~3.0 AT hits (1.3 needing ML to shoot*)

AX-1-0 (Bomber) (350)
~2.3 AP hits
~3.3 AT hits (1.3 needing ML to shoot*)
~4.6 WE hits (2.6 TK and 1.3 needing ML to shoot*)

(*Note, these assume that Guided missiles need ML to shoot)

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Ok, assuming that the Tau list does adopt the proposal that guided missiles need ML to fire (IMHO the way to go ) then this potentially leaves the aircraft a little underpowered compared with other bombers because of the need for co-ordinated operations, though 225 is also a bit cheaper by comparison (I would also argue that the AX-1-0 is too expensive for similar reasons). Equally, the AX-1-0 is so similar in effect against non-WE targets that you could almost dispense with the "normal" variant.

A radical thought here guys, but is there any scope for combining these into a single set of aircraft stats with weapon variants, and limiting the number of TK armed a/c by some other means?? For example, changing the stats a little you get something like this:-

TigerShark               2 for 300
There are two variants, the normal variant armed with conventional weapons and the rarer titan killer AX-1-0 variant that replaces the Ion cannon and missile pods with the high powered Twin-linked Railcannon.

Bomber     Save 4+
Burst Cannons 15cm,             AA5+
Seeker Missiles 45cm,        2x AT5+  Fixed Forward Arc, Guided Missile

Either Normal variant
Twin-Linked Ion Cannon 45cm,       AP3+/AT4+  Fixed Forward Arc
Twin-Linked Missile Pod 30cm,    2x AP4+/AT5+  Fixed Forward Arc

OR  AX-1-0 variant
Twin-Linked Railcannon 45cm,    MW3+ Fixed Forward Arc, Titan Killer (D3+1)

Notes
Although both variants cost the same, because of its rarity the AX-1-0 is limited to one formation per 1500 points in addition to the normal list restrictions

These stats would give the following analysis, which now shows more of a distinction between the two variants with the AX-1-0 being much more of a specialist titan killer.
Tigershark (Bomber) (300)
~3.3 AP hits
~3.6 AT hits (1.3 needing ML to shoot*)

AX-1-0 (Bomber) (300)
~1.3 AP hits
~2.6 AT hits (1.3 needing ML to shoot*)
~5.3 WE hits (4.0 TK and 1.3 needing ML to shoot*)

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Ginger,

At first I wasn't too keen on your second proposal, but after thinking about it a bit more, I think I can support it.

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Thanks Honda. Note, these stats were more by way of a suggestion to demonstrate the idea rather than a 'firm' proposal. The idea being both to bring the Tigershark generally into line with other Bombers costs and stats, while distinguishing the TK variant a little more.

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I should have mentioned it in the beginning of the thread, but I have been operating under that assumption.

A radical thought here guys, but is there any scope for combining these into a single set of aircraft stats with weapon variants, and limiting the number of TK armed a/c by some other means??

As I read Ginger's proposal, you could not have 5+ TK aircraft flying around the battle-field because of this limitation:
Notes
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I support the removal of missile pods from AX-1-0. However it cannot cost less then 350.

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The AX-1-0 is supposed to be the primary anti-titan weapon of the Tau, yet you want to limit it more than the Moray? There's a point at which this list stops representing Tau at all.

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I'm highly dubious about the 1/x point limitations. I'd much rather just make it more sturdier than regular Tigershark *shrug*.

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By making the formations 300 points each, we automatically limit the Tau to a maximum of three, and these stats (or similar) are roughly in line with other bombers.



The stats for the railgun configuration are obviously adjusted to make this a specialist titan-killer whilst reducing the effectiveness against normal targets. I would suggest that this degree of specialism alone will probably deter people from taking too many them, which in turn justifies the drop in points to 300. The '1' per '1500 points was only a suggestion as there are other ways of limiting its selection. As for taking out a warhound, with the suggested stats each aircraft would be capable of 2-4 TK hits, so with some seeker missile hits or reduced shields, the pair of AX-1-0 will have a very reasonable chance of destroying a pair of Warhounds or even a Reaver in a single pass.

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