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[NEW!] Iyanden v3.3
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:48 pm 
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Iyanden has been updated!

Minor tweaks, and not much new.

Any obvious areas of concern?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:26 pm 
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All units apart from Swooping Hawks and Shining Spears may be transported in Wave Serpents and/or Falcons if
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Aren't Warp Spiders excluded too?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:04 am 
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Quote: (Warphead @ 14 Dec. 2008, 22:26 )

All units apart from Swooping Hawks and Shining Spears may be transported in Wave Serpents and/or Falcons if
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Aren't Warp Spiders excluded too?

DANGIT!  Yeah, that's correct... can't believe I missed that.

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Should the Spirt Warrior Warhost have an initiative 3+?

With the current wording, whilst the Spiritseer is alive, the current 2+ initiative is improved by +1. This is make the formations very good and with the benefit of Farsight you have formations which can retain automatically if they don't have any BM on them.

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Can I have confirmation on the Living Few special rule. If I have 2 Wraith hosts, Can I then have upto 2 each of Guardian host, windrider troupes, aspect troupes & rangers?

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Quote: (Tiny-Tim @ 15 Dec. 2008, 12:29 )

Can I have confirmation on the Living Few special rule. If I have 2 Wraith hosts, Can I then have upto 2 each of Guardian host, windrider troupes, aspect troupes & rangers?

That is correct... can you think of a way to word it that would be less confusing?

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Quote: (Chroma @ 15 Dec. 2008, 12:45 )

Quote: (Tiny-Tim @ 15 Dec. 2008, 12:29 )

Can I have confirmation on the Living Few special rule. If I have 2 Wraith hosts, Can I then have upto 2 each of Guardian host, windrider troupes, aspect troupes & rangers?

That is correct... can you think of a way to word it that would be less confusing?

Ohhh.... That's the rule? I thought it meant you can't have, in total, more "Guardian hosts + windrider troupes + aspect troupes + ranger troupes" than you do Spirit warrior hosts.

Maybe if it was worded as:
"The maximum allowed amount of each of the restricted formations (Guardian warhost, windrider, aspect warrior & ranger troupes) is the number of Spirit warrior warhosts in your army"

Or a less clunky version, if anybody has one.
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Hmmm... wonder why this hasn't really come up before... or maybe I've just missed it.

Here's the rule:

Special Rule - The Living Few
Iyanden suffers with a depleted population which has driven them, in times of need, to raising Spirit Warriors to fight in their stead. As a result, Iyanden Craftworld Eldar Armies may not have more individual Eldar Guardian Warhosts, Aspect Warrior,  Ranger, or Windrider Troupes than they have Spirit Warrior Warhosts.

I thought that indicated that it wasn't "total" of the restricted formations, but each instance of them.

Yay, discussion!

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Quote: (Hena @ 15 Dec. 2008, 13:13 )

Chroma, SR in general doesn't have '+' after it :smile:

You've got the eagle eyes, Hena, must be all the sauna steam!   :cool:

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How about replacing everything after 'As a result' with:

the number of each of the following may not exceed the number of Spirit Warrior Warhosts:- Guardian Warhosts, Aspect Warrior, Ranger or Windrider Troupes.

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I don't think it's ever going to work without an example.

...Living Few formations include Eldar Guardian Warhosts, Aspect Warrior,  Ranger, and Windrider Troupes.  Iyanden Craftworld Eldar Armies may take no more than one of each kind of Living Few formations for each Spirit Warrior Warhost, i.e. one Spirit Warrior Warhost will allow one Guardian Warhost, one Aspect Warrior Troupe, one Ranger Troupe AND one Windrider Troupe should the player elect to purchase one of each...


Also:
Living Few formations are marked with an asterisk on the army list for convenience.
And put the asterisk footnote at the bottom of the army list page.

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Is there a reason that this is written as "one of each type"?  That someone shouldn't be allowed, say, 2 Aspect Troupes rather than 4 different formations?

I ask because it seems simpler to do something like:
Iyanden Craftworld Eldar Armies may take no more than two Living Few formations for each Spirit Warrior Warhost.

I think this would be easier to make clear and easier for most people to remember.  It would allow more flexibility in formation choice while actually reducing the potential total number of Living Few formations per Spirit Host from 4 to 2.

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Quote: (nealhunt @ 15 Dec. 2008, 10:04 )

Is there a reason that this is written as "one of each type"?  That someone shouldn't be allowed, say, 2 Aspect Troupes rather than 4 different formations?

I ask because it seems simpler to do something like:
Iyanden Craftworld Eldar Armies may take no more than two Living Few formations for each Spirit Warrior Warhost.


I think this would be easier to make clear and easier for most people to remember.  It would allow more flexibility in formation choice while actually reducing the potential total number of Living Few formations per Spirit Host from 4 to 2.

If you did it like that there could be a disproportionate amount of Living Few unit types. For example two Spirit Hosts could yield up to 4 formations of Guardians or Wind Riders or Aspect Warriors etc.

If you want to change the number of Living Few formations from four to two per Spirit Hosts then just say they may only take two per.

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Quote: (Malakai @ 25 Dec. 2008, 00:28 )

If you did it like that there could be a disproportionate amount of Living Few unit types. For example two Spirit Hosts could yield up to 4 formations of Guardians or Wind Riders or Aspect Warriors etc.

If you want to change the number of Living Few formations from four to two per Spirit Hosts then just say they may only take two per.

I don't understand what you're saying here.

How is 2 Spirit Hosts allowing 4 Living few formations more disproportionate than 1 Spirit Host yielding 4 Living Few formations?  It's half the number of formations per Spirit Host.  Even if you want to go by total number of troopers in the formations instead of total number of formations, 2 Guardian hosts is 80 Eldar for one Spirit Host.  A Guardian Host, Aspect Troupe, Windrider Troupe and a Ranger Troupe totals a minimum of 98 Eldar for one Spirit Host.

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I was trying to say that if one wanted he could make all of his living troops out of Aspect Warriors. I don't feel that this is representative of the Iyanden craftworld.

The way it is now you are forced to take a more diverse selection of troops. There will still be Wild Riders, Guardians, Rangers and whatnot on Iyanden, just not very many of them. Definitely not enough so that the craftworld would leave any at home in favor of "better" troop types.

The list is set up in a style that reflects a "beggars can't be choosers" mindset. And IMO it's very fluffy.




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