Hi fellow NetEpic Fans, I’m hoping to fight a battle using the Adeptus Ministorum Army Book in a campaign in a couple of weeks. I have been looking through the NetEpic v 5.1 rules from the Yahoo group. After (hopefully) carefully reading through it I have a few questions and maybe even some suggestions.  On the whole I really liked these rules and wish to complement all involved in their creation for a tricky job well done.  

Questions

1) The Repressor Transport Squadron has stats and card cost but no description. What does it do/look like and can this be added too please?

2) Frateris Militia Company costs 400 points but the Support Card costs 100 points. Can this be reduced to 300 points for a company card or does the Preacher cost 100 points alone?

3) The Description for the Martyr Platoon states that they ‘give no VPs when they are destroyed – they are already listed as dead anyway.’ However, in the Support Card they have a VP of 1. Was it then the intention that the Martyr Squadron do give VP, like when using an Off Board Barrage or is it just a wee mistake?

4) Frateris Militia Rocket Platoons have a To Hit value of 5+ while the PDF Rocket Platoon has a To Hit of 4+. Was this intentional to reflect the units lack of training or in error?

5) The Special Rule for Undisciplined Frateris Militia units actually makes them more capable than IG units in that if they are out of Command range they test morale before being considered Order-less. If they pass they are able to act as if given Advance orders (moving normally and shooting in the Advance phase) while IG units automatically are without orders and may only shoot in the Advance phase. Surely the reverse should be true?

6) Holy Rage. I’m not sure I get the description. Does it mean any Imperial unit or only Frateris Militia?

Suggestions

1) The SoB Justifier Land Speeder Squadron comes with six units. This is an odd number for a squadron. Can this please be changed to five units and cost 300 points instead?
2) There is no Sister Repentia in the Sob list. Can this be added or are there rules for these?
3) Frateris Militia Cavalry Troops number five units. Can this please be increased to ten like other units and the cost increased? Or, if not can they be provided with ‘Infiltrate’ as a scout troop?
4) Laud Hailers are only listed in the Frateris Militia List. Can they also be added to the SoB List too? Would it be possible to have some secondary effect against Chaos Minions or Daemons like with the Devotional Bell for the Titan (but not as powerful)?
5) Mammoth tanks, are these meant to represent Ragnarok tanks? They are very expensive for little return. Can the cost be reduced to reflect this? (Ok, that one spills over into other lists too)
6) As the one and only heavy units would it be appropriate to include a Capital Imperialis as a Praetorian Cathedral with greater Laud Hailer properties and Anti-Daemon/Chaos special abilities? (Not my fault, Inspired by the Capital Imperialis in Warmaster Nice's thread - Warmaster's Workbench, Epic 6mm).  
7) Could the Exorcist or a variant of the Exorcist be armed with Psyk-out warheads able to cause Greater Daemons to spend two Chaos Reward cards to save against?
8) Can the Special Rule ‘Shield of Faith’ represented in the 40K game be added to the NetEpic rules? Perhaps a 6+ save against Ethereal Psychic attacks for all SoB units. This would give the SoB some protection against Chaos armies.
9) An Ordo Hereticus Inquisitor would be nice too (with Anti-Daemon psychic powers) instead of borrowing the Ordo Malleus geezer from the Grey Knights all the time.


The suggestions are only my views and observations but I would really appreciate it if the questions could be answered so as to iron out any embarrassing contradictions before hand instead of in mid battle. Thanks in advance for your help.

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As an opening comment, remember these are 2 seperate Codex armies so you can't mix and match.  It is either SoB or Frateris and as Codex armies they can act as allies for each other either.

1) Give me a description and I'll add it. (with P's permission)

2) Preacher is worth 100 points.

3) I'm guessing a missprint.  I'll make it VP=0 unless I hear otherwise.

4) I think I asked that last time.  I think 4+....they are pretty limited already.

5) Frateris need the help.

6) "one Imperial Infantry detachment".  Seems clear.

Part 2:

1) Don't know why it is 6.  Anyone?

2) I agree we should add them.  Want to have a crack?

3) I think these were cut down to 5 to mirror Cultist Cav.  Infiltrate might not be warranted for Frateris either.

4) Are they a SoB unit?  Can't see why not.

5) Mammoths pre-date the Ragnarok by a long way.  Ragnaroks make good Mammoth proxies though  I actually think they are pretty decent tanks.  I personally would be ok with 250 for a detachment but the cost mirrors the Militaris list, and heavy tanks should be expensive for Frateris and PDF.

6) Nope, can't see either of these armies having access to that sort of hardware.

7) Seems messy...the SoBs already have a big bonus vs. Chaos.

See above, they already get to re-roll 1s and 2s in close combat.

9) Name change only?  Easily done

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Hi Zap123,

Thanks for the quick answers and helpful feedback.

As to the Lists being Codex and un-combined. I didn't originally think they weren't but since you brought it up, surely these two armies should go hand in hand together. Why not combine the two lists but keep the Codex Army List stringent Allies thing? Where are the Inquisitor Storm Troopers or the Arbites?

QUESTIONS

1) (?) This is apparently a 40K vehicle and may not even be in EA lists yet. It's a Rhino with extra armour, a Storm Bolter nailed to the top and a Bulldozer blade fixed to the front. It carries ten men and is used by SoB. Weapons: Cupola Storm Bolter, Pintle Mounted Heavy Flamer (has dozer blade as standard. Other than this I don't know anything else, honest.

2) I thought you might say that. No point making minis for that company then.  
Frateris Militia – Priest costs 100 points...
Frateris Sabre Company – Priest Free?
Frateris Support Company – Priest Free?
Curious...

3) Thanks

4) Thanks, again.

5) Frateris need the help.

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I'm no expert on current 40k fluff but I thought the two didn't mix much....though I did note they are in the same 40K codex.  They are both standalone armies, but personally I'd think making the SoBs a standard list would be cool.  You have to keep the Frateris as Codex to prevent their use as allies.  I didn't write the original lists though.

2) Fair point. I would think an infantry company would get more benefit from a Preacher but that doesn't explain the Support Co.  Making the Militia any cheaper would be a bit scary though.

5) I was just being flip...I couldn't see the big deal of a d6 check.  Maybe Ill-disciplined means they show a bit more self reliance than standard IG troopers who dont do a thing if they aren't ordered too... hence the extra check.  Name change might be cool though.

Part 2

1) Just asking if any of the other huge number of posters can remember why this detachment was 6.  5 for 300 works for me.

3) Cultist Riders is a detachment of 5, so they match between lists.  Tactical detachment are probably 6 to match the Tech Guard....again a match...though 5 would be neater for mine.  Maybe Frateris shouldn't have Tacticals or Heavies....but they are pretty pants already

5) The costs for the Mammoth are the same from what I can see.  Major difference is PDF get a company of them which is much better value (and supports the 250 points for a detachment argument).  As to their usefulness, they have better CAF and more firepower than a Rus....and they are the best thing the PDF get which makes them seem a lot better  

6) Marauders are probably a stretch but I'd think the prudent sisters would stash a wing or two of T-Bolts away for a rainy day.

7) They've got Close Combat re-rolls, Clerics, access to O-M Inquisitors and Grey Knights....I'd have thought Chaos was an army the SoBs would stand a decent chance against.  It's Eldar and Squats they need to worry about.

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Hey Zap,

I'm no expert on current 40k fluff

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While the individual stands are fairly naff, getting 30 of them plus a Preacher for 400 adds up.  A +1 CAF becomes kinda cool when you outnumber the enemy 2,3 or 4 times.

I like that Martyr suggestion....though "last turn" is a bit hard to work....end of the 3rd turn maybe?  Will also action the "5 for 300" Justifiers.  

The -2 on the Retributors was deliberate.....that's why they are still a bit pricey.

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A +1 CAF becomes kinda cool when you outnumber the enemy 2,3 or 4 times.

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Ok, a Leviathan Cathedral then!?

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http://www.karlkopinski.com/image.php?id=181


Oh, look a Games Workshop illustration from the Witch Hunters Codex drawn by Karl Kopinski. Oh my... isn't that a massive tracked Praetorian sized Cathedral looking thing in the background!  

And you just thought I was pulling ideas from my a... from the air. Tut, tut.  

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Tracks?

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You should have gone to Speck Savers.

That thing has tracks. In the background. Clear as day. At the bottom of the big Cathedral looking thing. Big track like track things, you know like tank tracks but bigger... only their far away... in the distance... and... and... oh, what's the use.  



It bleedin' does have tracks too so it does.  

!     !  How about a Cathedral SHT then?..  

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Ok here is what I am going to try out.

Both the Adeptus Sororitas and the Frateris lists are  combined into one Standard list with the Adeptus Ministorum title. They may take allies but only from Imperial lists. (The usual up to 50/50 split?)
You may only include SoB support/special cards for SoB companies and the same with Frateris Companies. However, you may include both types from both lists in your Ministorum Army and include an Imperial Ally.

Certain Frateris units are dropped. (Tactical, Heavy, Mammoths, mainly.) As are is the Cleric. Witch Hunters with a witch, hmm. Replace with a Hierophant (No, not the Tyranid Bio-Titan) a religious nutter who's extreme faith is anathema to Daemons and protects units against some Ethereal attacks.

I also want to keep the Shield of Faith thing where the SoB's (only) have a 6+ Psychic Save rolled for the detachment not individually.

I may try out a couple of new unit ideas too but It depends if they are ready (rules and models) on time.

That should be enough so far and I will let you know as best I can how these changes worked/bombed after the weekend.

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You would have to make them a Codex list so no one else can take them as allies.

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No game today as my friend called off sick. Ah, well what can you do?.. Mumble, mumble...

They are both standalone armies, but personally I'd think making the SoBs a standard list would be cool.

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I think Arbites would be a useful inclusion in the Frateris list and could replace the Tacticals and Heavies.  It would be good to include them as the EW Centurions are excellent proxies too     I think I did up some rules for them somewhere....the stats were basically IG Storm Troopers, but gave the ones with shield and stun-club a 5+ fixed save that also applied in close combat and the ones with shotties a 20cm range but hit on a 3+.  Give them some Gorgons and a Judge (Commissar) to lead them and you're done.  

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