What DS said.  I think the rush to high activation counts, especially in the UK tourney lists people post, is not really as necessary as popular perception.  A small number of activations can work fine as long as you make sure they stick around.  I've seen both IG and Ork armies in the 5-7 activation count at 2700-3000 work just because the formations were so big and tough that by the late game the activation count was comparable.

As far as AMTL, keep in mind that the titans block line of sight, so your non-titan units can use them for mobile cover.  Also, formations huddling behind titans have assault defense as it's nearly impossible to clip a formation without the titan being able to support.  If the titans leave them to flap in the breeze, they are easy to pick off, but used in close support the formations become much more durable.

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Thanks, I figured it was something to do with having 5 Titans on the table.

I don't use them much, so I only have experience making them die.

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I'm with DS here.  I rarely use anything other than titans por orinatus in my AMTL lists (and then it is only Skitarii to fill the Corvus).  Void shielded WEs work totally dirrerently to  any other formation in the game.

Sure they can break, but the are hard to break and their fire power doesn't drop off.  oIt is either all their, or not their at all, no middle ground.

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As I commented to the previous version, the CAP should get "+1 Extra Attack small arms OR +1 Extra Attack assault weapons" so that it is of similar worth with the other free Titan weapons.

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Regarding the Warhound weapon tax -

Having 2 of the same weapons on a Warhound can be great. It can also be next to useless.

Example - Last game we played, my opponent (using the Skitari list) had 3 Wahounds all armed with 2 Turbolasers. My army was Krieg, so I either had troops in trenches or superheavy tanks with 4+RA.
They did nothing all game. Those Turbolasers were not an advantage at all and that is why we don't pay the tax.
Loading up with 2 of the same weapon can be quite a hit and miss affair and therefore is not worthy of paying extra for.

If the weapons are pointed correctly, there is no need for a supposed increased effectiveness tax.

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Example - Last game we played, my opponent (using the Skitari list) had 3 Wahounds all armed with 2 Turbolasers. My army was Krieg, so I either had troops in trenches or superheavy tanks with 4+RA.

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Well, since Evil and Chaos asked me in another thread...

How about changing the warhound-mounted inferno gun back to a teardrop template? I just preferred that one better, for coolness value. Besides, the weapon is perfect on something as mobile as a warhound. Could put the missile launcher option back for the barrage-lovers, since I'm sure someone out there has old warhounds with missile launchers glued to them.

I bet all the teardrop haters will flame me off the boards now.  

Okay, here are the main reasons why I went with BP weapons instead of Teardrop for this list version:


- Multiple teardrops on a single Titan were nigh-useless, as you couldn't hit the same target more than once, meaning that theoretically increased firepower resulted in exponentially less-useful weapons loadouts.*

- Trying to treat the teardrops as BP weapons leads to some weird effects (Like 3 teardrops coming from a single Warhound in a formation of 2 warhounds).

- Treating it as a BP weapon allowed for a good proxy for players with rocket launchers on their Warhounds, as they could easily be firing 'napalm rockets' or similar (As rocket-armed Warhounds do not exist in the background anymore, at least not remotely commonly).

- I am reliably informed by our resident military historians that flame throwers are normally 'arc' weapons which fire in a parabola and then cause a 'splash' some distance from the attacker, rather than a continuous expanding sheet of flame. The teardrop might look cooler, but it's apparently less realistic.


* Consider 2 Warhounds each with 2x inferno cannons, attacking 4 enemy infantry units with 4x teardrop templates in total they get 4 attacks.

Now compare that to the V3.12 version, where they lay 2 extra blast markers for shooting at the enemy... no contest, the BP weapon is more useful under almost all direct-comparison circumstances.

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Why would you take 3 Warhounds all armed that way?
Where were your anti-infantry weapons? Your twin-inferno or twin-VMB platforms?
They are also very useful!

They did nothing all game. Those Turbolasers were not an advantage at all

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- Multiple teardrops on a single Titan were nigh-useless, as you couldn't hit the same target more than once, meaning that theoretically increased firepower resulted in exponentially less-useful weapons loadouts.*

Turbolasers
A two warhound pack with 4 turbo lasers beats a reaver any day in my book, especially when you remember the war engine hit allocation rules and the slow nature of the rest of the army.

Activations
The trick is to have lots of durable activations! So lists that give you too many battle titans are a bit problematic

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At the risk of asking a question that was discussed in previous versions of AMTL list:

Why is Plasma Cannon just 45cm range? This is same range ad PBG with only one more dice for extra 25 points. With Plasma Destructor having range of 75cm it would allow Plsama Cannon to be at 60cm range, keeping each of 3 plsama weapons distintive.

Wht would you take a Plasma Cannon over a Turbolaser Destructor? Thye latter has longer range and more dice.

I remember seeing a beatleback Warlord with paired Plasma Cannons back in AT days and have always thought it looked cool. But with just 45cm range I dont see the point in putting them on Warlord.

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I haven't seen anyone try Plasma Cannons extensively yet... I'd rather not upgrade them until I see some reports of them being notably underpowered.

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