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LR's are in the upgrades list in the PDF.

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ANy further movement on the Raven Guard?

I'd liek to play some marines with nifty special rules rather than my standard Raptors using the Codex list.

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The version I posted to the wiki file gallery is the most recent update I've done.  There are 3 intended changes, all quite minor:

1) taking the Land Raider option off the Terminators
2) adjusting the Land Speeder Transport to correspond to the eventual 40K version (name and transport capacity)
3) Raven Guard Assault formation goes to 175 points

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The change in the RGA formation cost is for a couple reasons.  First, 4-unit formations combined with the Raven Guard's improved planetfall ability means that the "Drop Pod Bombardment" tactic will be wicked.  Second, even though they are Assault Marines without the Jump Packs, they gain Rhinos which adds units and will normally keep them mobile.  They lose a bit by becoming vulnerable to AT fire but overall they should be a bit better than Assault Marines on the ground.  They won't be quite as good in an air assault because they won't have mobility afterwards, but I think that's an okay trade-off for a drop-pod option.  All that adds up to +25 points, the same price as Jump Pack Assault Marines.

I've also been wondering what to do with the size of the Assault  formations.  Ravenguard are supposed to be light on manpower based on the background, but in true GW fashion they ignore that and make them focus on Assault Marines.  Everyone knows the 4-strong Assault formations are not very good for the points, so I've considered an "Assault" upgrade to add 2 more, similar to many of the variant lists with "Fast Attack" as an option.

And actually... now that I am thinking about air assault and planetfall options, the THawk Transport would fit stylistically with this army.  It's best with small formations and it would allow the RG to Planetfall per the background but bring their vehicles with them.

So, possible changes would include:

1) an "Assault" upgrade of 2 units of Assault Marines for 75 points
2) adding the Thunderhawk Transport to the list

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Ravenguard are supposed to be light on manpower based on the background,

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All Raven Guard spacecraft may transport Speeders as part of their normally allotted transport capacity (Speeders count as a single unit).

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I read that as the Land Speeders being able to count towards either the infantry transport capacity or the vehicle transport capacity. Was that intended? I would think they should only count against the vehicle transport capacity.

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I can see your point, but I didn't think they were that much better than Razorbacks.  They are better as a transport (even with LV status they are faster, skimmer and have a better armor save), but it's armed with a single heavy bolter instead of twin and there's no option for AT.

I'd like to test it before changing.

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The Transport Land Speeder is, according to fluff, called Land Speeder Storm.

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I dislike the proliferation of "teleport-as-ambush" mechanics.  It's okay occasionally for a really exceptional unit that supposed to be almost supernatural in their abilities, like Tyranid Lictors, but I think it should be used very sparingly.

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Hena:  The loss of Razorbacks for the Scouts was intentional.  Since the Storm can only be used with other Scout units, including Scout on it shouldn't change the effectiveness of the formation to speak of, though it might on occasion.

Dave:  Thanks.  I think the titan issue is a good point.  Battle titans are supposed to spearhead big offensive moves.  Linking up with Scout titans seems more in character, so I'll probably cut the battle titans.  I think I'll leave the Vindicators for now, though.

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