Neither GW nor JJ are E-V-E-R going to sanction a Squat or Demiurg list so we have a choice. We can keep flopping around using whichever list is preferred by the person at that moment for Squats/Demiurg. OR. Using the present forum and associated talent of present and former members of the original Epic-A forum design teams to produce a semi-official balanced Squat/Demiurg list.
Epilgrim is willing to give it a shot, and he designed the base Demiurg list, and I am willing to give it a shot and I was the lead designer for our Thurgrimm's Squat list. There in is the problem, and it isn't a bad thing, as the designers of said lists we both have a bias toward those same lists. Writers do have a tendencey to consider whatever they have written to be almost perfect
Thus Epilgrim will naturally lean toward his own design parameters and defend them, as would I, and again this is a natural bias not an evil under the table, trying to be better, intentional bias. Heck we would both do it without even thinking about it. This makes it difficult for just him and I to come to a concensus of any kind, however more level headed outside influences would be able to do it.
What we need to do first..............................
We need to decide on how we want the backgrounds to tie in together, or in some cases not tie in together. So the following proposal is,
(A) Thurgrimm's is the early Squats before the Tyranid eradication event, and the Demiurg are the more modern present version of the Squats post eradication event.
(B) That they both presently exist in the present universe, but the Demiurg are a waundering type of Squat, less settled (like the Eldar Biel Tann are more warlike then 'normal' Eldar), while Thurgrimm's represents the more settled live at home type of Squat.
© That the Deimurg and Thurgrimm's are seperate races whom a long time ago had access to the same technology but moved off in different directions developing it.
[Jaldon] A, as it allows both to have similar equipment, use the same models, and still allowing for differences in stats, special rules, etc. It alos wouldn't be difficult to tie the two present backgrounds together using this premise.
At the same time we need input from everyone concerning fixes to the lists, concentrating for now on single unit data and formations sizes and points. The above for Thurgrimm's was drawn from conversations I have had with other players concerning those same changes. I feel the same should be started for the Demiurg. This will make it easier to transition later when we have decided on which background to use.
What I really would like not to see is posts like 'well I don't think such and such is going to work so I am going to use list whatever that I found someplace'. Fine, please go and use it we will not stop you, just don't bother telling us all about it, OK.
Instead if you dislike something help us fix it by proposing an idea that addresses the problem. I promise I will listen. I may not agree, but others might and that will sway the way the list goes and probably change my mind. I may like the work I've done, but I am not so stupid that I am blind, deaf, and dumb. I am also positive that Epilgrim feels the same way, and will work just as hard toward the same goal.
And that goal is to produce a balanced well thoought out Demiurg/Squat list that we can hopefully get passed as semi-official per the ERC and Tactical Command. This would be more then anyone else has accomplished and we can do it.
Thanks All, and I hope I wasn't too long winded here.
Jaldon
Keep in mind that I haven't created extensive fluff to reflect my views as ePilgrim has. Also keep in mind that my view on Squats goes back to when the Imperium wasn't as zealously xenophobic as it is now in current GW fluff. Those of us who have been playing Epic for a long time can remember when Mutants, Ratlings and Ogryns were all accepted into the ranks of the IG. 
) we are both "Stubborn" enough to persevere, but sensible enough to want input from the community, and at the sametime not toss out everything we have done to date.
Simply because the timeline has the Squats/Demiurg losing in the end doesn't preclude you from playing the Thurgrimm list against whichever armies you choose. It's all in good fun.