Tim - So you essentially have a problem with a Tau army having to spend points (which should be increased) on an extra unit and use up support formation slots to get an ability that Marines, I.G., Eldar, Tyranids, Titan Legions, Chaos and Squats get for free?

I would not urge for the sentries to be dropped from the tournament list.

E&C - I have already answered that question and you quoted my answer (which does solve the problem). Jervis has not asked for less special rules, just less words to be used for them.
Nothing more to be said there...

Mephiston, I agree that a price increase is necessary for a group of 3 (I DO NOT think they should be bought singularly, not worth it).

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E&C - I have already answered that question and you quoted my answer (which does solve the problem). Jervis has not asked for less special rules, just less words to be used for them.

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Under Tau technology
TAU DRONES
Tau make extensive use of floating, disc-shaped robots called Drones. In battle, Drones are programmed to shield their
controllers by getting in the way of incoming fire or close combat opponents.
Formations do not receive blast markers for drone units that are destroyed, but drones lost in an assault do count towards the
assault resolution as normal. Drone units do not disallow garrisoning at setup if the formation would otherwise be able to do
so.

If the drones are available as upgrades why are they already taken into account for armour and shooting shouldn't one part be dropped.

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Extreme is going for one style hoping it overwhelming your opponent. An example would be a massive air assault horde. If you end up facing say Eldar with flak and nightwings you are stuffed. Or a terminator horde facing a skimmer of doom force.

Min maxing is simply getting as much as possible of whats good and minimising whats bad. An example on a very small scale is a Hammerhead. You get the best aspects of a tank (in the French's view - mobility and firepower) but also you minimise your weaknesses, you can't be CC'ed so the poor CC factor doesn't matter and the skimmer ability can be used to boost your armour. Nothing but hammerheads wouldn't be min maxed as you can't take on certain types of forces, but an army of all but varied skimmers (Hammerheads, Skorps, etc), if the list allows it cheaply enough, cuts out a vulnerability for no cost. So to stop that you either use the list structure to make it impossible or alter the points to make it prohibitive.

Believe it or not, I'm 38 years old and have been gaming for over 20 years.

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IIRC that's pretty much how the Forgeworld army list does their turrets.

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Thanks for the explanation on extreme/min maxing Chris. Very well described.

Venerable one...  Thanks mate.

I believe a Hero is compulsory too. It is the eternal bugbear for my opponents when they use Guard.

When I said reduce GM's, I actually meant to reduce activations that use GM's. I don't want to see stats changed too much.

In your turret list above, how does the Remote Sensor Tower deploy? Same as the others (from War Engines)? Garrison? I've already mentioned that lighting up your own half of the board is fairly pointless for Tau. If you can't light up the opponents half of the board (and especially their deployment zone for the Hero early attck) there's no real benfit to the Tau.

Speaking of the Hero, it is a unit that really annoys Tau opponents here. 200pts to put blast markers on 4 formations is almost rude. Maybe one of the missile attack could be removed (only allowing 3 missiles instead of 6 and only attacking 3 formations)? If that was the case though the rule about only targetting WE if no Markerlight present may need to be changed.

Anyway, we'll see what CS comes up with in time.

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Sentry Turrets Make them 25pts. each and 1-3 per 3000 point game. Make them a standard unit BUT with no activation

Deploying turrets - as garrisons. If you note they have scout and with 6 you can string them easily up to the half way line and get coverage 30cm into the opponents half. And really if you want markerlit units on the opponents base line you should have to drop Drones or move pathfinders in.

Losing them in assault - did you have the scout rule then? You can string them out all over the shop so they can't all be engaged (I have played around with move zero units a lot). But beyond this defence for a very cheap offensive/defensive garrison they should just die. For 50-100 points you would have lit some stuff up, shot a bit and tied up an opponents activation.

Everything else in Epic is at risk from shooting and assaults, if you want these guys to be immune you should make them terrain features.

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Chris - Wouldn't Sentry Turrets have to be Fearless then?

If garrisoned across the board as you desribe, a simple clipping assault on one of them would wipe out the entire formation. Why should robotic laser pointers suffer from hackdown (we got em demoralised!)?

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They would get a couple of hack down hits but strung out you will on average have a couple left if they can only lose 1 to attacks. You could make them fearless if you really wanted to but now its just to make them very hard to get rid of. Should they honestly be that hard to die? Considering that my ML drones I drop from Tigersharks die - indeed if they don't get only broken sharpish - why should these be any different (note I reckon you should be able to drop them from tigersharks as well).

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I guess it's just that if anything fitted the description of Fearless, it's a computer with a laser pointer and no concept of suppression.

They should function at 100% until destroyed.

Does dropping Heavy drones from a Tigershark trigger Overwatch fire?

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