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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:23 pm 
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IIRC Sniper doesn't work in assaults. It's covered in the FAQ imho.

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(BlackLegion @ Jun. 07 2008,14:23)
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IIRC Sniper doesn't work in assaults. It's covered in the FAQ imho.

ok i missed that thanks Black Legion, that kills that idea.

on the EC there is a good rule he has i 40k that could work:

Black Templar codex, p31
"Slayer of Champions: It is the saced duty of the Emperor's Champion to seek out and slay enemy leaders and champions. Before resolving combats in any assult phase were the Emperor's Champion is in combat with an enemy unit containing one or more enemy independent characters, you must immediately move the Emperor's Champion so that he is in base-to-base contact with a least one enemy independent character (maintaining coherency with an unit he has joined). If there is no room to place the Emperor's Champion in base-to-base contact, simply move a friendly model out of the way (he makes room for the Emperor's Champion to get to grips with his foe!)."

for epic this rule may be a bit gamey but could it work if you changed it to work for epic

such as
"if possible the EC must be put into base-to-base contact with any enemy character with in his assault range and may ignore enemy SoC to get into base contact but must maintain coherency with his formation"

workable?




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Would Infiltrate not do essentially the same? In the Notes section you could write: The Infiltrator ability can only be used if it allows the Emperors Champion's unit to get in base to base contact with an enemy Character.

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Would Infiltrate not do essentially the same? In the Notes section you could write: The Infiltrator ability can only be used if it allows the Emperors Champion's unit to get in base to base contact with an enemy Character.

yes i got most of the language from that rule but i don't want the EC to have the extra movment that Infiltrate would give, it would mean that he could sit at the back of the formation and let the initiates and neophytes fill up all the bases so he can then use the extra movment to always get in to base contact with the enemy characters and give them a MW hit, with the large formations BT can have i think this could be abit overpowering.

a problem with giving him Infiltrate special rule but then modifing it twice wouldn't it then stop being that rule?

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Sniper does work in assaults as long as it's a note on the weapon, not a general note on the datafax.

That's what the FAQ says.

If swapping first strike for sniper you'd probably also have to lose MW or Inspiring to keep it ballanced at 50 points compared to a chaplain.

What are EC's armed with in 40k? Is it a powerfist equivilent? If not then it probably doesn't deserve macro status anyway.

I don't see the need for a new special rule to make him go after characters - with sniper he'd want to anyway...




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In 40k the EC has the Black Sword which is a S6 power weapon so that would be a MW attack.

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Hmm, yes, probably.

Ok, so lose inspiring or up the points? Otherwise he's literally a chaplain with extra abilities for the same price.

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I could see it 'just' being Sniper rather than MW.

Sniper gives -1 armour save, and does represent excellently a challenge by the Champion... and it makes him different to a Chaplain.




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(Hena @ Jun. 08 2008,05:48)
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In 40k the EC has the Black Sword which is a S6 power weapon so that would be a MW attack.

Why would it. Macro is in general given for weapons like Power Fists and Meltas. Though granted characters very often have MW. However MW+Sniper combo is rather good one, so perhaps normal attack would be good here in that sense as well.

The reason is would I guess is that, for example, a commisar's power fist is a S6 Power Weapon attack, and that counts as a Macro Weapon.

But for ballance purposes, I think Sniper instead of Macro if you're keeping Inspiring.

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Just make him 75 points.
Sniper for being the EC, Macroweapon for the Sword and Inspiring to represent the Vows.

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That is another reasonable suggestion.

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yep i think i'm going with Blacklegion's Suggestion up the points to 75 and these stats:

EMPEROR?S CHAMPION
Type / Speed / Armour / Close Combat / Firefight
Character n/a n/a n/a ? ? ? ? ? ?n/a
Weapon / Range / Firepower / Notes
Black Sword / (base contact) / Assault weapon / Macro-weapon, Sniper, Extra Attack (+1),

Notes: Character, Invulnerable save, Inspiring
Design Note: The sniper ability represents the Champion challenging enemies to a duel

to powerful for the points?

also would you stop terminators form teleporting if the EC joins them?




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That seems reasonable for the points.

Personally I probably wouldn't allow the EC to join terminators. In 40k he's always in power armour, right?

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