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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:15 pm 
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Aye, someone's staying very silent on what he's been up to. :D

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:19 pm 
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Hi. I was wondering when this news would break!  :D

I dont actually know much about future plans, but I did want to jump in.

As far as I know, the current US web site is the first stage in the process, and the UK mail order prices are in US$ with the ? sign added in front. I am sure that this will be corrected shortly, since I can see an 'impact' on sales otherwise.  :p

Also please note that this is still a work in progress, and there are bound to be issues initially, and items which are not moved across correctly. I have absolutely no information, but I really cant see the lack of EA Chaos lists as a deliberate move. I would be willing to bet that they will join the other lists in time.

As I understand it, the move of the forum is really the biggest thing to change. Andy, Jervis, the moderators and others will continue to use the relocated SG boards, and the development, structure and other factors will continue.

I would like to see a link on the main GW/SG page to the relocated SG forum as usual. The big issue was that GW were no longer able to host the boards. Also, even if SG games increased attention from GW, I suspect that the current development model will not change greatly. SG have been generally praised by the community for such an open development structure and free downloads, and GW get free labour. I cant see this changing in the short term.

There has never been a huge gap between fan development and official development for SG, and I dont see this changing.

I am not the most trusting person with GW, and I dont think that the move of the SG boards away from the official site is a great thing. But, I do think that there are positives to the general changes going on. If we can keep the good bits of the current structure, and add the good bits from the new structure, the overall net result will be good.

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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:24 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ May 22 2008,11:52)
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I happen to be certain that it's worth it.

Ye gads men, that post by Andy talks about new models, for the SG systems.

Andy mentions new packs not new models. That's a big difference.

And as has been pointed out, what happens to Gorkamorka, AT2 etc?

Systems like Warmaster are losing huge numbers of files - battle reports, scenarios etc. So much so that Rick Priestley has just set up his own website so they aren't all lost!

There seems to be a lot a rampant optimism floating around - is there any evidence for it? What exactly is it you are expecting to see? If they were going to host all the SG files, why didn't they do it at the start? The fact is that the GW US site is up and running with pdfs of only previously printed material.

What evidence do you have to suggest this will change?

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:24 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ May 22 2008,12:15)
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Aye, someone's staying very silent on what he's been up to. :D

"Its better to remain quiet when people think that you are ignorant, rather than speak up and prove them right!"  :D

I dont have answers for the long term future of the SG boards. Short term, they are being moved to a new location, as a seperate entity to TacCom. Once this has happened, I will be reassured that they are safe, backed up, community driven and indefinately supported. From that point, the least that will happen is that they will remain in this state and unchanged but available, and we can then build on them as a player community.

When we get to this point, we will be able to discuss any future plans for the boards. This discussion will then be able to happen for the best interest of the community.

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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:24 pm 
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There seems to be a lot a rampant optimism floating around - is there any evidence for it? What exactly is it you are expecting to see?

Nah, I'm just permenently optimistic. :)

Seriously, I can't see the downside to this move no matter how hard I look.

- The Fanatic website has been marginalised and honestly pretty hard to find for years now.
- Instead the rules are going up for free on the core website.

That's damned good news IMHO.




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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:28 pm 
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Ah, but the pessimist is never disappointed!

Anyway, I'm off to SG to download everything I can while it's still there!
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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:56 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ May 22 2008,12:24)
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Seriously, I can't see the downside to this move no matter how hard I look.

Then look harder. We're losing a large number of the existing articles, including some "official" ones. I think it's extremely unlikely that we'll ever see more epic (or other SG) articles appearing on the official website.

Under the current system, fanmade content could be put into fanatic and made available on the website. That will no longer be the case, so the days of any semi-official coverage of fanmade content are over.

Someone needs to download all the SG content before it vanishes forever.

This is definately a very, very bad thing. I call the beginning of the end on this one.




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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:04 pm 
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Articles and whatnot can be maintained by third party websites.  It's really no big deal.

Ok, you can name downsides, but the upsides are far greater...that is the point.

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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:04 pm 
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Oh and for the record, the issues with pricing on the new webstore are well known and a mistake. All prices are being quoted in dollars no matter which currency you chose.

Currently in some parts of the world an epic army would cost the equivilent of ?2 under these costs.... It'll be fixed soon.

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 Post subject: Fanatic Online #100
PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:04 pm 
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What did Fanatic Online actually give to its games by way of support?

- A bunch of articles which mostly covered things that could be found on fansites anyway.
- A sheen of vague officialness, which just meant that Andy had looked at an army list (Or whatever) once before uploading it.

This new system trades those articles (Many of which speak of the 'amazing days ahead where we'll release lots of new armies and rulebooks'), for far greater exposure.

It's been damned hard to find a link to the SG website from the main website for a year or so now, so new players had no idea that the rules were available for free, for example.


The way I see it, SG is trading a fanzine archive for much greater exposure.

I think that's fine ; Let Firebase, Incoming, Warp Rift et al handle the fanzine stuff from now on (They're read by more people than Fanatic Online anyway).


Also, Andy H says this'll be the last update to the SG website, not that it'll be pulled down entirely. I think it's quite possible that the SG site will remain as an archive for quite a few years, with a link to Epic Raiders on page one the entire time. :D




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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:05 pm 
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CS can you archive the sg site?

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:07 pm 
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No way. The article issue is a slim one. I don't know if the new forum has the option but there are many possibilities to host articles and gather new ones (this site, the wiki, fanzines (like E&C mentions), etc). Heck, maybe the GW site expands.

GW taking back SG in their main course is in my opinion a good thing.




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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:07 pm 
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Articles and whatnot can be maintained by third party websites.  It's really no big deal.

Third party websites that aren't linked to from the offical site. Hardly ideal.

I very strongly feel that this is the end of any "support" (how I hate that word) for the specialist games range at all. Most of what Andy is saying is just spin. This is it, all we'll have, forever. No more articles, no more officialised rules, no more rules reviews, nothing.

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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:09 pm 
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Did you read the quote from Mod-Lex I posted?

Here it is again:
What Andy did not specificly state, is that the reason the Mods/Ansermods go along in the move is because the (reporting) structures behind the forum will remain intact. So Rick and Jervis will remain working within those structures for reviews etc.

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Third party websites that aren't linked to from the offical site. Hardly ideal.


Firebase has ~100k downloads per issue.
Warp Rift has ~20k IIRC?

I doubt that Fanatic Online had the same kind of hit figures.

No more articles, no more officialised rules, no more rules reviews, nothing.

I thought that was pretty clear a while ago. :)

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