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AMTL v3.11
Tiny-Tim
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:16 am 
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Only just picked up on the release of this latest version.

I'm still not sure on the tax (nice one Onyx) for single fit warhounds, but will give it a go. I do see people using more Reavers as a result with trying to keep the cost of the main battle titans down so that support formations can be included.

When I called for the number of support choices to revert back to 2, I also wanted aircraft to be moved back out of Support into their own category. With the reduction in support slots per battle titan this will also see an increase in minimum fit out battle titans and again more Reavers, I am currently looking at playing 3 Reavers, 3 Warhounds & a pair of Thunderbolts as my best option.

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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:21 am 
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I'm aware that the aircraft could be moved into an Allies section, but I'd like to see how the army list fares with them in the Support section for this version.

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(Evil and Chaos @ May 07 2008,17:10)
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I notice you didn't reply to the Ordinatus/Superheavy tank comparisons E&C. Why the duplicate ability formations?


I didn't reply because it's now a Skitarii-specific question, which should be raised in the Skitarii discussion thread.

In brief however, I believe they serve different functions.

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Thats the whole point. If they weren't a Skitarii-specific question then we could talk about it here. The ability duplication could lead to them being in seperate lists and the Ordinatae back in the Titan list.
Maybe we should've had this conversation before they were removed from the list?

I would also like to see the Aircraft back in the Allies section.




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Maybe we should've had this conversation before they were removed from the list?


Feel free to open a new thread laying out your thoughts as to why they should be in the list, and why they won't impact the balance of the list.

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(Tiny-Tim @ May 07 2008,10:16)
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With the reduction in support slots per battle titan this will also see an increase in minimum fit out battle titans and again more Reavers, I am currently looking at playing 3 Reavers, 3 Warhounds & a pair of Thunderbolts as my best option.

How can you not field a Warlord for a mere 150 points?

Hmm, I would be looking at Warlord, Reaver, 2 packs, 2 hounds and 150 for weapons. If Tbolts were allies it would be them instead of weapons. Or maybe switch a hound for tbolts and have 275 for weapons.

Or maybe an assault reaver plus 2 knights, another attack reaver, a warlord, then 325 for a mix of weapons, sentinels, tbolts or a hound with 4 support slots open (a 875 quake warlord with a clp and hydra could be good, though boringly on the blitz).

Or of course stick to the old ways and go with walord, 2 reaver, 4 hounds/3 hounds and 2 tbolt formations. But does the list have the cheap firepower left (probably not the cheap titans would have to live with assault roles for now)?

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The extra 150pts has already been spent on a beefed up Reaver (3x Laser Blaster).

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Both Ordinatus moved to the Skitarii army list only.


This seems a bit of a shame. I liked being able to use the Ordinatus in the Titan list and I don't remember seeing much evidence that they were particularly unbalanced. Particularly if the number you can have is restricted. Were there some battles where they performed really well?

I know that one of the arguments is that the AMTL list should be about titans, and that if you really want to use other stuff you should play a different list.

I agree up to a point. But I don't really want to play a different list - I'd like to have a mainly Titan army but be able to pick a few other interesting bits and pieces to supplement it. The Ordinatus allowed this nicely I thought - the support section of the list seems a bit dull without them.

I also think that including the Ordinatus could help with the variety of weapons we see selected, and it's always nice to see the full range of possibilities being used in the list. I quite liked putting missiles on the Ordinatus for example, but they don't seem to work so well on Titans.

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I agree, it is a pity that the Ordinatae have been removed, but the list does now have a razor-sharp focus on the Titans.

I'd like to have a mainly Titan army but be able to pick a few other interesting bits and pieces to supplement it.


Personally, when I want that army, I'll be playing using the Skitarii army list.

What if the Skitarii army list was allowed up to 50% of points spent Titans, with the IN aircraft moved to being support formations?

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What if the Skitarii army list was allowed up to 50% of points spent Titans, with the IN aircraft moved to being support formations?


That's a great idea. It'd make the Skitarrii list feel really different from any other, which is good.

I'd still play AMTL primarily I think, but that would provide a nice outlet when you want to take loads of titans AND loads of other stuff.  :D

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I concur, that is a great idea.  Puts the proper emphasis on the machine god avatars!

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(Evil and Chaos @ May 08 2008,18:50)
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What if the Skitarii army list was allowed up to 50% of points spent Titans, with the IN aircraft moved to being support formations?

I've tried it a few months back and liked it.  It gave a nice feel to the tech guard.

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(Gary @ May 09 2008,01:23)
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Both Ordinatus moved to the Skitarii army list only.


This seems a bit of a shame. I liked being able to use the Ordinatus in the Titan list and I don't remember seeing much evidence that they were particularly unbalanced. Particularly if the number you can have is restricted. Were there some battles where they performed really well?

I agree up to a point. But I don't really want to play a different list - I'd like to have a mainly Titan army but be able to pick a few other interesting bits and pieces to supplement it. The Ordinatus allowed this nicely I thought - the support section of the list seems a bit dull without them.

I also think that including the Ordinatus could help with the variety of weapons we see selected, and it's always nice to see the full range of possibilities being used in the list. I quite liked putting missiles on the Ordinatus for example, but they don't seem to work so well on Titans.

Putting the Ordinatus back (obviously I'm not alone on this issue) would also help with the Warhound horde armies, something you're trying so hard to deal with E&C.
And 2 Minoris' can't really be said to unbalance the list...
But does provide usable options.

The Skitarii list idea is good but its starting to look like a Titan list with extra support units then (not that I think thats a bad idea obviously).

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Has anybody been able to add in Forge Knights yet? I just can't get my head around them.

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Since we don't have a separate ordi thread my point is they  duplicate the main titan abilities, namely they take and mount titan weapons. So they are slower more vulnerable titans. Why don't we invent other titan types instead?

As to SHTs and them I guess the comparison is with pb, vc and maybe siege armed SHT's. 50% more dc, no shields, 50% faster.

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(The_Real_Chris @ May 09 2008,21:03)
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Since we don't have a separate ordi thread my point is they ?duplicate the main titan abilities, namely they take and mount titan weapons. So they are slower more vulnerable titans. Why don't we invent other titan types instead?

As to SHTs and them I guess the comparison is with pb, vc and maybe siege armed SHT's. 50% more dc, no shields, 50% faster.

Reavers duplicate Warlord abilities "namely they take and mount titan weapons" - Should they be removed?  :)  :;):

What is an Ordinatus (both types) if it's not another "titan type"? No need to re-invent the wheel, just keep using what we've already got...


And if Ordintus duplicate main Titan abilities then it must be said that Minoris' duplicate SHT abilies aswell (no speed difference there). No real need to have them in the same list (Tech Guard).

And I didn't start a new thread because my points are about the titan list (this list) as much as the Tech Guard list.

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