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So, will Sci-Fi Commander efectively kill Epic?
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So, will Sci-Fi Commander efectively kill Epic?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 4:51 pm 
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I too agree with you on all points, C/S ... We're keeping Epic alive (and well) here. And as Primarch notes also, DRM & E/W are "capitalizing" on some of G/W's blatant failings ... DRM's Androids = Necrons, a Sci-fi Lizardman Army (G/W missed this, IMO ! Space Lizzys are a staple for sci-fi ! Kirk even fought the Gorn Lizzys !!). The Human PAX, more options for IG. And now the start of a Bug army ie. 'Nids ! And Exodus Wars found the long lost cousins of Squats in the Khazari. Plus more IG options with the Legion and even Chaos with Zombies ! Plus more cool stuff coming with Bounty Hunters and Tarrigan Aliens ...  Not to mention DRM rules which in my War Room has replaced the Epic rules(save for a few).  And I said this before, Tac Cmd is/will be "Ground Zero" ( :laugh: ) for 6mm Sci-fi ... with it's roots having an Epic linage ...    :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:08 pm 
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Both DRM & E/W's "Creators", Doug & Tom are friends and old time Epic players, from the UK.  And I've known them as e-pals for sometime. They're good humies and really are doing this out of love of  Epic and wargames minis in general. And realize the will never be millionaires from their models ... but make a little profit to keep going. :D And keep us and themselves happy ! :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:31 pm 
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(Mephiston @ Apr. 24 2008,07:16)
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Dirtside, EpicA, SOW and CH are all downloadable.

None of them are actively available in print. I'd rather have a book than a PDF.

If it follows the pattern for the other books SFC will also come with two heavy card stock reference sheets as well.

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(pixelgeek @ Apr. 24 2008,20:31)
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(Mephiston @ Apr. 24 2008,07:16)
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Dirtside, EpicA, SOW and CH are all downloadable.

None of them are actively available in print. I'd rather have a book than a PDF.

If it follows the pattern for the other books SFC will also come with two heavy card stock reference sheets as well.

there is a online service somewhere where you can mail them a pdf and send you the book and a bill problem solved

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:56 pm 
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(Rug @ Apr. 23 2008,21:25)
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Where is TRC anyway! I consider him the real villain! I can Imagine him watching the thread that he started and having a good old laugh! Truely EVIL!
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Chortle chortle.
No to be honest I just wanted to see what the feeling was. I have watched the Warmaster system sweep all before it in fantasy, ancients, esp. WWII and now it seems moderns and if it comes out with epic stuff I can see it swallowing up players as they go to play with guys who will be using that.

However I don't want to switch, I like the game, know the rules, spent more time than I care to mention testing them. But ultimately I'll play what everyone else is to get a game.

Oh and I have been doing job applications like crazy. Yesterday red cross, today Christian aid (my wife couldn't help but laugh when I was answering the section on Christian beliefs and values, I may have gone overboard!).

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Space Lizzys are a staple for sci-fi ! Kirk even fought the Gorn Lizzys !!

OMFG! Now I want 6mm scale Kzinti!


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:27 pm 
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Well eventually I believe SoW will be in book form ... but for now it's easier to download and print the pages myself ... :D  And TRC ... That is very Christian of you ! :laugh:  So O-man ... you want 6mm Cat people !?? ???

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I've always wondered about all the different games that are available (whether they are currently in production or are out of print) and who actually plays them and where they play them at. I mean, at the independent game store I frequent, the only paint-'em yourself tabletop wargame I ever see people play is Warmachine (or Hoards, which I consider to be the same game). So, from that point of view, epic is dead - as in, I can't just pop down to the store and expect a pick-up game. Hell, I can't even buy mini's there.

But that's obviously setting the "it's dead, Jim" bar a bit high. I mean, at the one historical gaming convention I went to, there were at least 20 different games being played by over a hundred players, a majority of which I'd never heard of before (much less met anyone who played them). I believe most of those games being played were long OOP, but obviously they were still being enjoyed by someone. I can only assume that those games got played 2-3 times a year tops, counting the 2-3 times they were played that weekend.

As for SFC killing Epic, I don't see it happening. They are skew lines as far as I'm concerned. I mean, what impact did BFG have on SFB or that B5 game? Any? Can one game really kill another just because it's in the same genre and/or scale? Doesn't it have more to do with the support available for each game?

I can state with a 99% chance of being correct that SFC will never hold the popularity that is currently enjoyed by Warmachine (or was enjoyed by WH40K 5-10 years ago, or battletech 15-20 years ago). Because of this, I think SFC's fate will be the same as all those other games played by the likes of those at the historical gaming convention - played by smalls clumps of players distrubuted widely accross the globe with no real hope of gathering enough critical mass to achieve widespread popularity. Basically, the same fate as Epic (except that Epic has the additional draw of being set in the same universe as 40k, which I admit may not help as much as it once did).

I say this not based on any problem I have with SFC (I know nothing at all about it, in fact), but based on what happens to practically all tabletop wargames - VOID, Vor, warzone, crimson skies, battle tech, confrontation, etc. etc.

All those games had their proponents, and I have no doubt that I you looked in the right places, you could find people still playing them, but I would say Epic is better off than those games simply because of the fact that GW is still in business and is an independent operation. When the day comes that GW is sold to Hasbro or goes out of business (which will eventually happen - I doubt GW will be around 100 years from now, so sometime between now and then something will become of them), that is the day Epic will be dead ?- at least until a clicky version is released 10 years later.


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100 years from now ... it won't matter ... :ghostface: :;):

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I doubt that the game will really "kill" Epic. Especially when you ask the question here since I doubt that anything short of the Apocalypse would kill Epic amongst the crowd here :-)

I think that the game will probably bring in more gamers into the realm of 6mm sci-fi. There are a lot of people familiar with Warmaster or familiar with Pete's other games that would be interested in trying it out and since you can play the game (or will be able to play it) with Epic figs it seems as if it is a good opportunity for Epic players to not only use their collections in another game but perhaps move players into using your favourite Epic rules.

It won't "kill" Epic around here because GW basically did that already. I'm seeing this as an opportunity to bring players back into 6mm sci-fi gaming and allowing them to pull out their Epic forces and game with them again.

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(semajnollissor @ Apr. 25 2008,10:42)
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I can state with a 99% chance of being correct that SFC will never hold the popularity that is currently enjoyed by Warmachine (or was enjoyed by WH40K 5-10 years ago, or battletech 15-20 years ago).

Neither does Epic though. Not sure what the point is meant to illustrate

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really how can one know untill one has played SFC, i dont know about most but i got back into  a GW game after much time away because i found epic A and then BFG both to be playable and alot of fun.
i have no loyalty at all to any games company, i just like to have fun and blow up little toy tanks, i dont think any game will "kill" epic with this crowd because we LIKE the system. if SFC is a good game , of course we will all give it a try and argue about what should be changed im sure , but kill another game ? one people have loved for YEARS ? it would have to be REALLY good.

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(pixelgeek @ Apr. 29 2008,10:35)
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I can state with a 99% chance of being correct that SFC will never hold the popularity that is currently enjoyed by Warmachine (or was enjoyed by WH40K 5-10 years ago, or battletech 15-20 years ago).

Neither does Epic though. Not sure what the point is meant to illustrate

Oh, well, it was kind of a backhand way of saying that by the "popularity" test, SFC won't kill Epic, because Epic is already dead in the "popular" market.

Personally, I don't see the situation as being "there's only room for one game at each scale." I see it as being "there's only room for one game at any scale." Again, that based on the "popular" market point of view. Still, that's obviously not the only way of looking at it, as shown with my observation of people playing all those different games at the Con. From that point of view, nothing could kill any game short of all the people (well, all but one, as it is a 2 player game) who play it dying.

What's really sad is that the people who are making SFC, or any other start up game company for that matter, would love to have as many people familiar with their game as Epic has. It's just that GW expects an order of magnitude higher than that to make Epic worth their time (in GW's opinion).


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