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AMTL 3.08
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:37 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 24 2008,22:28)
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The stats are largely taken from Chroma's proposal for the Ordinatus Majoris, and inherited that particular restriction.

I designed them that way because the "big" Ordinatii are "focused" on one type of attack, so, one with 2 Barrage Missiles is the Golgotha, while one with two Plasma Destructors is the Armageddon; they're *supposed* to be specialised, not cherry-picked for combos... *laugh*  

At least that was my orginal idea, run with it as you like!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:46 pm 
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I like Rug's suggestion regarding Warhound packs at 550 in the core. You end up with a 6DC 4 Shield formation but limited in weapon choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:59 pm 
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My major concern with warhounds is that we don't see a return to "warhound madness"..effective yes..but IMHO not in the spirit of what the AMTL list should be..or seek to foster.

I have no problem with the gatling blaster being a "free" choice...it gives a better reason to choose them.

In regards to the clp..maybe a small points adjustment...not sure yet. ?I've been experimenting with a Warlord with 2 quake cannon's..a clp..and a plasma cannon...expensive at 1125 points...but I think it will be nasty in use! :D ?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:33 am 
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n regards to the clp..maybe a small points adjustment...not sure yet.  I've been experimenting with a Warlord with 2 quake cannon's..a clp..and a plasma cannon...expensive at 1125 points...but I think it will be nasty in use! :D


I'd advise you to drop the plasma cannon and go for a lasburner instead, I think that'd make a cheaper & more suitably-armed titan.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:57 am 
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I like how the list is shaping up,but I have a query and a couple of suggestions.

The query is about the Quake cannon.Why give it MW barrage, ignore cover and the possibility to use indirect fire.With all the fuss and furore over the Black Legions Decimator and Feral I would have thought this would be the last combo for a weapon in any army.

The suggestions are for the warhounds and trying to keep away from an all warhound army. How about putting the Packs back into the core choice at 525/550 points.They must be worth more than Packs in Imperial Guard and Marine list's.Mainly due to the option of picking weapons to suit the players other army choices and play style instead of having set weapons.

Then for the lone warhound in the support section just limit them to 0-1 per Battle Titan .

The Packs and lone 'hounds could even both be left in the support  section and have the 0-1 pack/single per Battle Titan limit for both.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:55 am 
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(dptdexys @ Mar. 24 2008,23:57)
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The query is about the Quake cannon.Why give it MW barrage, ignore cover and the possibility to use indirect fire.With all the fuss and furore over the Black Legions Decimator and Feral I would have thought this would be the last combo for a weapon in any army.

To be fair here, I suspect that a large part of this debate is also the relative cost and effectiveness of the combination of the weapon on a Feral - you can get two ferals for less than one Reaver with one Quake cannon, and three Ferals for a Reaver with three Quake cannons.

However, I do wonder whether there ought to be a limit to certain weapons or combinations - after all, two Quake cannons and a Fire control center on a Reaver would allow it to hide while controlling the entire battlefield, while three Quake cannons would be totally horrendous, (quite apart from the recoil knocking the Titan of its feet :p )

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:39 pm 
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Can I suggest that the Quattro-Century Skitarri are automatically made to take Chimeras as other wise as an ally choice you can take 8 formations significantly increasing the AMTLs activation count.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:44 pm 
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Infact using minimum cost weapons we could have:

Reaver+Carapace Multi Lasers
Reaver
Warhound
Warhound
Sentinals
Sentinals
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century
Skitarii Quattro-Century

14 activations and 52 stands. Not what we were looking for...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:57 pm 
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Heh it wouldn't be a terrible army list either. :)

I'll see what I can do!

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:26 pm 
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(dptdexys @ Mar. 25 2008,00:57)
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The query is about the Quake cannon.Why give it MW barrage, ignore cover and the possibility to use indirect fire.With all the fuss and furore over the Black Legions Decimator and Feral I would have thought this would be the last combo for a weapon in any army.

This one had me wondering as well, especially as E&C can hardly be unawre of the problem. With indirect and de-facto unlimited range, and adding +1 to hit for sustaining this looks downright vicious. Add a LasBurner, place the Blitz near Titan-suitable cover and you have a default configuration Blitzguard.

1100 Pts isn?t exactly cheap, but then there is very little to be done about 6BP MW IC smashing anywhere into your advancing troops either - you can?t air assault or teleport and expect to win, even IG will struggle to generate sufficient AT hits against a target sitting back in cover while most other armies will be totally helpless and just have to take it on the chin, losing the combat effectiveness of any one formation the AMTL wants to strike per turn.




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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:45 pm 
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(Tiny-Tim @ Mar. 25 2008,12:39)
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Can I suggest that the Quattro-Century Skitarri are automatically made to take Chimeras as other wise as an ally choice you can take 8 formations significantly increasing the AMTLs activation count.

Then how do you get troops in a Corvus Assault Pod?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:47 pm 
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Cost of the Pod includes the quatro centuri?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:54 pm 
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(Mephiston @ Mar. 25 2008,13:47)
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Cost of the Pod includes the quatro centuri?

I agree with this!

The Pod should have normal transport stats in its datafax, but, in the army list, should come with an appropriate and costed load of troops.

A Titan would just go around scooping up and delivering random formations, but would, I feel, only deploy specially trained troops from a Corvus system.

Other Titan lists could, potentially, have other Corvus loads.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 4:35 pm 
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So far i know it seems that the Skitarii don't use Chimeras...

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So far i know it seems that the Skitarii don't use Chimeras...

Fluff or Gaming wise?

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