Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 4
  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next

Space Wolves...
Spider Murphy
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:32 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 4
Location: The Milky Way
Hi,
I'm new here... Nice to see so many supporting EA...

As the title suggests I have been trying to make some house rules for the Space Wolves.

Since they are a non-codex astartes chapter I have altered the force selection to represent companies of variyng sizes, each led by individual leaders.

What I have tried to achieve is a list that resembles the standard marine list but plays differently.

So here is my first take on the list...

Edit: version 1.4
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Reaver
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:30 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 756
Location: The grim North... of England!
Only had a quick look through so far.
Nice to see a Space Wolves list that doesn't include a million special rules and new units.
One problem leaps out at me though - Grey hunters are better than Tacticals but cost the same points - why?
Oh, and welcome to TacComm!
Regards,
Reaver

_________________
Visit our websites:
Michael Lovejoy's Art
Grey Army
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
BlackLegion
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:44 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am
Posts: 8711
Location: Leipzig, Germany, Europe, Sol III, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Universe
Grey Hunters don't have a shooting attack.

I would make the Long Fangs shooting attack to
Heavy Weapons 45cm 2 x AP4+/AT5+

Nice list by the way :)




_________________
We are returned!
http://www.epic-wargaming.de/
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Reaver
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:12 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother

Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:24 pm
Posts: 756
Location: The grim North... of England!

(BlackLegion @ Feb. 02 2008,15:44)
QUOTE
Grey Hunters don't have a shooting attack.

You can tell I Engage more than I Sustain...

Either that, or I need to learn how to read properly! :D

Regards,
Reaver

_________________
Visit our websites:
Michael Lovejoy's Art
Grey Army
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Spider Murphy
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:19 am 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 4
Location: The Milky Way
Thanks for your replies.  :)

My aim is to make a list with as few special rules as possible. I'm not sure about the ferocouis rule for the Blood Claws. It might be better to just leave it out...

I think you are right about the Long Fangs I'll raise them to ap4+/at5+ and raise their cost by 10 points since I may have underpriced them a little to begin with.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
dptdexys
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:07 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:39 pm
Posts: 1974
Location: South Yorkshire

(Hena @ Feb. 03 2008,10:16)
QUOTE
1. Remove all the 2-4 things. That is just inviting someone to make a pop-corn army that has huge potential. Because of ATSKNF you should make a minimum size of 4 per detachment. And don't allow huge min-maxing that this list currently has due to huge amount of non-25 point selections.

My initial thought when seeing those 2-4 choices was how easy it would be to abuse.4 formations each with an Inspiring character in a T/hawk came to mind.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
BlackLegion
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 5:36 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am
Posts: 8711
Location: Leipzig, Germany, Europe, Sol III, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Universe
How about making all the formations 4 units strong but they can be upgraded with 2 units of Blood Claws, Grey Hunters OR Long Fangs (no combination, two of the same type or none).
All other detachments (apart form vehicle detachments)can be upgraded with 2 units of the same type. Example: Blood Claw Bike Detachment is 4 units strong but can have 2 additional Blood Claws Bikes.

And simply +1 on engage for Blood Claw detachments (= formations where the Blood Claws, Blood Claws Bikes are the core units) is an elegant way to represent the hot-bloodedness of them :)

re Wolf Guard Leader: as i understand, the Wolf Guard Leader is a Commander-Upgrade? So you can't have a Wolf Guard Leader AND a Captain the same formation?
So it is quite balanced.




_________________
We are returned!
http://www.epic-wargaming.de/
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Spider Murphy
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:00 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 4
Location: The Milky Way
Good points! all of you. :)

I have changed the list according to your suggestions.

So all infantry detachments are 4 units strong and able to add 2 units.
Ferocious are now +1 on engage and a bit more expensive.
Long Fangs now have Long Fang Heavy Weapons.
And cleaned up the Wolf Guard Terminators special rules.

The Wolf Guard Leader is only inspiring. He doesn't have the Leader special rule.
The name is misleading, I just copied it from W40k. So I have Changed it to Wolf Guard.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
BlackLegion
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:21 am 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am
Posts: 8711
Location: Leipzig, Germany, Europe, Sol III, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Universe
Looks very good. :)

But...Inspiring on for the Wolf Guard leader? I don't know which is more powerful Leader or Inspiring. Insprining is the hallmark ability of the Chaplain and would make him pretty redundant if you could add it to a formation for only 25pts. Thebasic abilities a SM Characters omes with are Leader and Invulnerable Save.
Invulnerable Save should be out of the question but Leader fits much better with the Wolf Guard Leader.

What about if the only ability the Wolf Guard Leder gives to his formation would be that he turns the base CC attack of the unit he is attached to to a MW attack?

_________________
We are returned!
http://www.epic-wargaming.de/
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Markconz
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:40 am 
Purestrain
Purestrain
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:43 pm
Posts: 7925
Location: New Zealand
I like it. :)   Especially the fact that their are not dozens of special rules and units.

And welcome to Epicoms :)

_________________
http://hordesofthings.blogspot.co.nz/
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Spider Murphy
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 9:05 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:03 pm
Posts: 4
Location: The Milky Way
Thanks to everyone for your replies. :)

I've changed the Wolf Guard Leader, so now he's got Leader instead of inspiring and MW +1A. If this is still too good at 25 points I'll remove the +1A...

I changed the points cost of the Blood Claws and Wolf Scouts to an even 200 and the upgrades to 100.

Then I changed the Venerable Dreadnought to an upgrade, available only to dreadnought formations.

And I gave the Rune Priest Smite and raised his cost to 75.

Ferocious now only works if all units in the formation are ferocious. And Space Wolf Attack Bikes are now Ferocious.
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
BlackLegion
 Post subject: Space Wolves...
PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:20 am 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Sat Nov 05, 2005 12:13 am
Posts: 8711
Location: Leipzig, Germany, Europe, Sol III, Orion Arm, Milky Way, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster, Universe
Cool :) It gets better and better :)

_________________
We are returned!
http://www.epic-wargaming.de/
Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
  Print view Previous topic | Next topic 
Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 4
  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 12 guests

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net