(Nicodemus @ Nov. 21 2007,07:56)
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Heh, argumenting with lists is fun!
But yeah, lack of artillery and airtransport are features, if not definedly flaws. I would like to have Stormbird just for fluffreasons. But I forgot to add Scout Drop to my list of Great Things About BL.
Low activation count? With all respect I almost spit my morning coffee at monitor. That is same as saying that orks have low activation count if you put all your points in to one formation (which is possible with orks). Of course you have low activations if you take too pricey formations. Do we have any list that cant be cripled with too much upgrades and too big formations?
But to prove my point and to prove yours wrong:
Feral 300
Feral 300
Decimator 225
Decimator 225
Chosen 260
Chosen 260
Despoiler 200
Forlon with claws 145
Forlon with claws 145
Raptors 280
Retinue, Rhinos 315
Retinue, Rhinos 315
That is 12 activation and it is not even min-maxed! And it has 2 mobilised retinues too. (Ok, it does not have aircover at all, but it is easily arranged... Obliterators!)
Or:
Banelord 800
3 Deathwheel 825
3 Deathwheel 825
6 Chosen ?3 Obi 225 ?615
That is 3000 points (well, 3065) and 4 activations...
Who needs high mobility flak if you can teleport it where you need it or hide it in your garrisoning infantry?
Pricey? No way, see my rant about low activations.
Blastmarkers? Are you perhaps suggesting that blastmarkers are flaw? So every other list apart from tyranids are flawed?
Summa summarum: BL has not artillery or airtransport (but they have droppods), small formations are prone to break (but easy to rally) and their aircraft are somewhat weaker than others.
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Black Legion, and definedly LatD should have to pay for their Supreme Commander. Orks have so bad initiative that stripping them from their free supreme should at least lead to initiative 2+. But if BL and LatD wants to keep their Free Supreme at all costs, then good cost would be that their initiative would rise to 3+. *grin*
Your example list has the Despoiler cost wrong by 50 points and also ignores that it is Slow and Steady, meaning that you?ll have 3 less activations before Turn 3, which doesn?t seem to be a good idea. There is a reason why large Spacecraft are rarely taken.
I?d also expect to see plenty of broken formations due to low unit count in the WE formations and expect to lose the mobility of the BL Rets very early on.
Indeed, arguing lists can be fun 
Don?t get me wrong, I don?t see the BL list as carved in stone, that?s why I?m looking forward to the review!
To move this discussion into a more constructive direction, I?d envision the following to be applied:
- new air stats
- lose MW on the Decimator and Feral, cut price of both by -25 Pts
- tweak Summoning to make GDs more feasible, for example by allowing to formations to pool their summoning dice during a combined engagement
- possibly review armour costs, they are going down for their SM counterparts and do feel slightly OTT in the BL list
- do something about the Ravager Titan, I don?t think anyone has ever fielded one as it plain sucks and fills no role in the list. Maybe rework it into an assault Titan?_________________
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