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Dobbsy,
Empirical playtesting will not demonstrate some of the things we are discussing. The idea that balance may simply be unachievable in present form is unlikely to arise as a direct result of playtesting. It is, however, quite likely to be raised through speculation (relative to the likely impossibility via playtesting).
Did you read my post? I would draw attention to my having said:
- "I'm not pushing for playtesting or list-analysis by myself, but discussion and thoughts on what direction such a thing would take. What could be left out of one list and put in another?"
- "consider what actually could be seperated into smaller lists? What could one list have that'd be viably left out of another yet leave both viable options?"
Why are you encouraging us to write battle reports when we're freely admitting (as if it were some sort of abominable crime) that we are still thinking about the ideas, not making solid proposals but discussing what, if any, they would be?
I am afraid that either you are misinterpreting what we're pushing at, or that we are not conveying our point well. I heartily apologise if the latter is the case. It is certainly not our business or intent (again, an apology if I'm speaking out of turn on Mosc's behalf) to be rocking the boat. Simply considering what possible changes could be, and why they'd be a problem.
The great thing about speculation and 'pseudo-theorising' is that you can rule out options without ever playtesting them. To put a very concise example (I know this isn't what you think I'm suggesting, but the principle is similar...I think): I could suggest raising the Manta's price to 5000pts with no other change. It would not require playtesting to reject, would it?
Simply put: Playtesting things and battlereports aren't at all necessary ?for what we're discussing (or, at least, trying to discuss).
Finally, Dobbsy it is immensely insulting that you consider us to be simply attempting to complain. I find that quite disheartening for this forum, and, to be frank, an undeserved insult (and simply an inappropriate comment).
Xisor
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). The only thing that hasn't been tried is to pull back something from the list. If I'm wrong please tell me. But while all these arguments go on, there are the die-hards who are so adamant that the list is fine and even some people who want NEW units added.
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