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I have sent a final version of the CSM list to the ERC as well as Audrey for comments.

Jervis sent in some comments that we addressed and I think I finally got all of the Titan weapon arcs corrected.

If there are no other corrections then it will hopefully be sent to Andy this week

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What stage are the stats for the helltalon and hellblade at? And are they replacing the swiftdeath?

Curious did Jervis actually have some recent feedback or was that just from ages ago?

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I think this version should be given a version number just like any other iteration of the list.

It's quite obvious that the Black Legion list is going to undergo a number of changes after the core rules review ends (Hahaha).

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(Hena @ Aug. 12 2007,22:17)
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There was few things open that weren't clarified.

They were. You must have missed the post.

The GD critical matches the one in the LatD list and it now specifies *any* summoned daemonic unit. So only GDs and LDs that are summoned are effected.

Daemon Engines and DPs are not effected.

Once we have a place to post FAQs... maybe I'll put one up on my site... then we'll add FAQs about this as well.

The hated formation rule now specifies that this is only caused by friendly formations.

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(Markconz @ Aug. 12 2007,23:25)
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What stage are the stats for the helltalon and hellblade at? And are they replacing the swiftdeath?

They are being tested. I wouldn't expect them to be into a list until we have a go at testing a wider series of changes including changes to the Defiler.

Curious did Jervis actually have some recent feedback or was that just from ages ago?


This was all recent.

One thing we are going to have to change is the idea of "Chaos Undivided" which is not being used in the lists. Consequently it will need to be removed. We'll probably also remove the Hated enemy rule as well unless there is something like it in the new army list.

Options for this also include coming out with a new list that has these changes that is specifically a Renegades list and keeping the Black Legion list the way it is.

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(Evil and Chaos @ Aug. 13 2007,06:40)
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It's quite obvious that the Black Legion list is going to undergo a number of changes after the core rules review ends (Hahaha).

It will but to annoy you off I will make sure that the Raptors aren't changed (Hahaha)

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Eh, having gotten my hands on the Chaos Codex now, I can say that they really should get a downgrade. :)

Options for this also include coming out with a new list that has these changes that is specifically a Renegades list and keeping the Black Legion list the way it is.


While the new Codex does feature Renegades more prominently, the armylist is also supposed to represent the Black Legion (Indeed, most of the Special Characters in the book are related to the BL in one way or another).





Something I think is interesting is how the new Codex has treated Daemons... there are only two choices, generic 'Lesser' and 'Greater' Daemons (You can't even mark them as allied to different gods).

As a question, would it be an interesting idea to follow this development, and save the more complex, different types of Daemon for a new Daemonic Legion armylist?

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So, while losing the idea of Chaos Undivided, they keep the idea by having the demons allied to nothing at all....

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(Evil and Chaos @ Aug. 13 2007,08:05)
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As a question, would it be an interesting idea to follow this development, and save the more complex, different types of Daemon for a new Daemonic Legion armylist?

Jervis specifically stated that they were coming out with a new Daemonic codex that would have more varied Daemons that would be available in larger battles.

So the types of daemons that the CSM list already has.

In fact the GD stats in Epic were originally done based on feedback from Jervis about what was upcoming in 40K so we're just raelly far ahead of the curve.

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I don't follow you pixelgeek.

The new CSM codex has only two daemon types (Greater and Lesser), which is nothing like the 9 types found in the Epic Black Legion armylist.

Jervis specifically stated that they were coming out with a new Daemonic codex that would have more varied Daemons that would be available in larger battles.


I don't believe he did.

He did say that there will be a stand-alone Daemonic Legions codex however, which will allow you to create an army solely composed of Daemons in 40k.

That armylist will have Bloodletters, Plaguebearers et al as seperate unit types with their own stats.




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He did say that there will be a stand-alone Daemonic Legions codex however, which will allow you to create an army solely composed of Daemons in 40k.


So you qualified what I said. How does this make what I said wrong? And since you knew what I was talking about what is the point of this comment?

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My point was will the Black Legion list for Epic follow suit (And de-flavour the Daemon types), or remain with different Daemon types available to the player?

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I don't think this is a good idea. If we follow this route then it is only on emore step that we could say that every squad/unit in a given formation can be differently marked so that each formation is essentially Chaos Undivided.
I still worry about the absence of god specific war engines in the BlackLegion armylist. Now deflavourising the daemons will be one step further in a direction i don't like.

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