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Epic article by Jervis newly posted at SG
Markconz
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:41 am 
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As if to just torment epic players further  :angry:

http://www.specialist-games.com/assets/WD6.pdf

Work is already underway on a new Capital Imperialis model for the Imperial Guard, a Land Raider Crusader for the Space Marines, and Squiggoths for the Orks. In the long run our aim is to return Epic to its rightful place as the game system that introduces new vehicles and troop types into the Warhammer 40,000 background, and to this end we?re working on concepts for several brand new units for each army. Keep your eyes open for them early next year?


Yeah...  Ah well SG stuff up is DRM and EW gain I guess.

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I TOLD YOU ALL THAT NEW UNITS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE INTRODUCED INTO THE CORE ARMIES. :D :D


So ummm. Post-rule review then? :)

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Why bother posting this at all when it is full of rubbish about what is happening with Epic? And the battle report is just that one posted in the flash players. Bah.

E&C alternative lists in epic for each of the 40k races was still the plan, not introducing new units into the existing lists. That's what he really means there I think.  Jervis talked about that a fair bit at the time, using as an example DBM (ancients) rules which has over 400+ unique  lists. Though obviously all these lists variant lists were supposed to become official (eg White Scars, Speed Freaks, Ferals and Siegers).

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E&C alternative lists in epic for each of the 40k races was still the plan, not introducing new units into the existing lists.


You're wrong. :)

Honest.

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(Hena @ Jul. 25 2007,07:58)
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No I don't mind posting it, sorry if that was the impact. Just pondered that it's not really that tormenting to me anyway :D.

I've just had to make 86 pages of updated Epic Rulebook because Specialist Games is too useless to do it. Maybe I'm just extra sensitive right now...  :D

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(Evil and Chaos @ Jul. 25 2007,08:00)
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E&C alternative lists in epic for each of the 40k races was still the plan, not introducing new units into the existing lists.


You're wrong. :)

Honest.

Well I wouldn't mind being wrong. I preferred Epic 40K's approach where one big comprehensive army list covered every possible army for each race. Except that could led to min-maxing formations etc.

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you've updated the EA rulebook Mark?

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you've updated the EA rulebook Mark?

Yeah got sick of waiting. See here:

http://www.tacticalwargames.net/cgi-bin....t=9988;

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Mark,

I know I've emailed you privately but I wanted to give my public thanks for all the work on this.

Everyone, see page three here and think of it in relation to this thread.

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(Evil and Chaos @ Jul. 25 2007,09:00)
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E&C alternative lists in epic for each of the 40k races was still the plan, not introducing new units into the existing lists.


You're wrong. :)

Honest.

Not that it matters at this point, but he's not wrong.  Jervis was quite explicit on this point numerous times.  He went on at length about how "retrofitting" new units into 40K armies had caused no end of balance problems.  All new units were to be featured in new army lists.  Jervis even argued the point with some of the playtesters to a limited extent.  There was absolutely no question as to his intent.

Your parsing of statements about new units (that article and the notes in the rulebook you've referenced in tha past) in the absence of that context is understandable but it's still completely wrong.  Any of the original playtesters will tell you the exact same thing and they have done so on numerous occasions.

If you want to argue the merits of sticking to that design philosophy, I have no problem with that.  Just stop stating it didn't exist.

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Maybe Moscovian and Markconz would be more productive members of the ERC than some of those in it. (excluding Neal from that comment)

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Out of interest, when was the last time Jervis publically wrote or commented on EA , its current state and way (or lack of) ahead?

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