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BlackLegion
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:48 pm 
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I must reword my statment about plurs/singular.
Recruitment starts very young for the Salamanders, with a hopeful coming to work as an apprentice to a Salamander at the age of six or seven Terran years.


So an individual member of the Salamanders chapter is called Salamander. But in the unit stats it should say eg "Salamanders Dreadnought" not "Salamander Dreadnought" because it is the Space Marine chapter of the Salamanders and not the Space Marine chapter of the Salamander :)

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 Post subject: Compare/combine salamander lists
PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:55 am 
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Oh and the librarians psychic power should be called "Fury of the Salamander" (if this is the correct term form the english Codex: Armageddon. In german its "Zorn des Salamanders") :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:03 pm 
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Well here is the 'bare bones' which I think is enough for initial testing purposes. Its stripped down for those on low bandwidths and expensive ink. Essentially the army list, the transport rule, the designers notes, some of the expressed concerns and the new units.

As for the rest - the background, the how to use the list etc we can work on them at our leisure (as we currently are).

Further to that aim I have an archive of about 6 meg of salamanders, generic marines, generic Epic images culled from the GW website and online pdfs which i will email to you as soon as I get a good internet connection! These can of course be used to spruce up the background, how to use and unit datafax sections.

Oh and I saw a Chapter diagram on the web somewhere, so I'm going to find it again, edit it and nick it. I thought that could go on the first page of general chapter background? Then next page of how to use list specific Armegedon background, ATSKNF rule, examples of tricky bits of the list (Dev upgrade, helios upgrade, drop pods upgrade) etc. All spruced up with the piccies.

So, did I make any mistakes? (Especially word wise I was on a laptop with a broken keyboard!)

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 2:32 pm 
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As requested :):

I would list Detachments and Upgrades in alphabeticalr oder (same as rulebook).

With this wording you are able to take 2 Land Raider Prometheus in a detachment.
Perhabs make the Prometheus upgrade separate? Perhabs with the restriction, that you can't have more then 3 in the army (i suppose codex marines can't have more than 1)

Under Space Marine Transports:
"Because of this, the points cost of certain detachments"

All theinstances of Heavy Flamers and Multi-meltas i would wirte in the same fashion asin the rulebook and not in the same line. eg:
Heavy Flamer AP4+ Ignore Cover
AND Small Arms Ignore Cover

Salamanders Devastator Notes are supposed to be cursive.

EDIT: This could be a nice place to find out more about the Salamanders: http://forum.thefireofnocturne.com/




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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:21 pm 
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(BlackLegion @ Jun. 28 2007,19:32)
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With this wording you are able to take 2 Land Raider Prometheus in a detachment.
Perhabs make the Prometheus upgrade separate?

I didn't think that was really a problem. As you can have only one character isn't the other one just a very expensive AP tank (150 points)? I'd just get an incinerator for 75!

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Sure. But alone the possibility feels awkward.

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There is a lot of silly stuff possible with lists - devs with 4 land raiders, 2 dreadnaughts and a chaplain?

Still it is easy enough to go to 'one land arider may be etc as it was before, just seemed unnessecery were common sense would do the job - I've always thought lists should stop powergamer stuff, not the opposite!

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With "one Land Raider may be upgradet to a Land Raider Prometheis for x points" you stop powergaming :)
With the wording as it is now you can take 2 Prometheus. One to use his special rules and one as spare if the first one gets destroyed. Looks like min-maxing.

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How would that work? The first one dies and you lose the commander ability - the Prometheus is just the radio and 4 twin heavy bolter. With only one commander allowed only one would be any use, the other a very expensive AP unit (costing same as a formation of scouts or assault marines!).

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You don't need to transport the Captain inside the Prometheus to loose the 5cm coherency rule for the Captains Commander ability.
So you have the Captainwith Commander and two Prometheus. One ablative one and one to use its CommLink.

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Indeed that was my understandin too - it is a unit not formation ability surely?

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Ok i wasn't aware of the edit.

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Ok, added a FAQ, made the corrections I think (may have missed some, moving between several comps currently) and it weighs in at 64k (yay for me) - should I stick it up in its own thread here and on SG with the appropriate wording?

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So no alphabetical order for Detachments and Upgrades?

One error in the FAQ:
Heavy Flamers ? If a unit has one or more Heavy Flamers when it makes a firefight attack that attack has Ignore Cover. That means you can burn enemy infantry out of their holes, denying them an armour save! It does not give you an extra attack. Note there is no additional firefight bonus for being armed with more than one Heavy Flamer (for instance the Predator Incinerator).

Correct would be cover save as IgnoreCover ignores cover saves not armour saves!

And i have a question to the CommLink from the Prometheus: Have alle three formations to attack the same target? Or cani order the Prometheus formation to attack Target Formation A and another detachment 100cm over there target a second Formation B near it?
So in effect have 2 different but simultaneous assaults?

After cleared this issues i think we can post it on the SG board and in a separate thread here :)




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