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Bombards poll and review
No change 48%  48%  [ 15 ]
Reduce Cost (specify below) 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Increase range (specify below) 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
Remove Slow Firing 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Increase BP 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
Allow in Artillery Companies 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
Other (specify below) 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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Bombards poll and review
Dave
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:10 pm 
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We're nearing the end of the IG review list now and next up is Bombards.

There's not much I can offer here as I haven't used them so I leave it to you guys to voice your thoughts and opinions.

Given the rarity of the vehicle in the 40k fluff however, I would say that allowing them in companies wouldn't be the best idea.  Batteries would be better in my opinion.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:12 pm 
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I definitely think they should be allowed in companies. But even then I don't think they will be used. I think that they need something to bring them on par.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:03 am 
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Ignore cover = death for infantry.

They are pretty damn good already IMO.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:10 am 
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I think a 60 cm range would help them compete with Manticores and Basilisks.

Other than that, they're fine.

EDIT : And they would be nice in companies, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:43 am 
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(Hena @ Jun. 14 2007,07:20)
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People perceive the range as problem as it cannot reach the other deployment zone.

It is a problem.

I've had Manticores and Basilisks shooting at me directly across the length of the table after a failed activation. ?:O ?No way you can hope to do such a thing with a Bombard.

If we consider Ignore Cover and Disrupt to be on par (IC being better at killing stuff in cover but Disrupt being more generally useful), why is there a 105 cm difference in range (210 cm on indirect fire !) between the Bombard and the Manticore ? All for the same price... Somebody please explain, because I really have no idea how this came to be.

I fielded Bombards once and their range was a problem for the whole game. I could never reach the formations I needed to reach. The Bombard is already a specialist unit, less generally useful than the Manticore. Why add the handicap of a reduced range ?

Last argument : when was the last time you saw Bombards in an IG army? None of the lists I've seen here in recent batreps include Bombards.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:23 am 
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ifind them fine as they are.... they are short ranged weapons... iv found a detachement lurking in range of an objective makes people unsure of parking on them too early...

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:25 pm 
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If i look at the stats in IA5 then the Bomnbard should have the same range as the Basilisk. Thats 120cm and indirectly 240cm.

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Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:28 pm 
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I agree, sure a points change would be needed, but right now Epic's Bombards do not tally with Bombards in the rest of 40k (Or earlier editions of Epic for that matter).

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 11:24 pm 
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G'day,

I have used bombards in nearly every game i've used IG. Whilst range is on occasion a problem, I find them especially usefull at removing garrisons and units on the forward objectives towards the end of the game. Its rare i haven't been able to find a target for them within 90cm. Sure they can't always hit the depth targets but thats why i have the arty company.

If its a problem with fluff, then i would agree to a small range increase but only a small one. But at present i don't feel they are a problem.
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Irondeath
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:56 pm 
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Against infantry that depends on cover, Orks, IG, Cultists, the Bombards rock. I had Bombards break a relatively fresh LatD Coven once, they stayed put and were annihilated by a follow-up Disrupt barrage from Manticores.  

That was nasty...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:51 pm 
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Range 60cm.
45cm is just too short. In SM/TL, there was not so much difference between Basilisk and Bombard ranges.

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Evil and Chaos
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:53 pm 
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In SM/TL, there was not so much difference between Basilisk and Bombard ranges.


In modern 40k, they've the same range as a Basilisk too.

It's only E:A that's downgraded Bombards so much.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:59 am 
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60cm range would be OK with me. 45 is very bad if they fail their initiative test.
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