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Baneblade
The stats below (with whatever concensus) 62%  62%  [ 18 ]
Other stats (suggest below) 38%  38%  [ 11 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:44 am 
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Only one SHT should have Rear Reinforced Armour : the Stormhammer.
Ok with a mega battlecannon : AP3+/AC3+ (maybe Ignore Covers).

But this SHT really need to be more 'punchy' in assaults : so it requiere additional FF attacks. By altering the demolisher cannon stats, it would be fine :

30cm AP3+/AC4+ Ignore Covers, +1A(FF) : Ignore Covers
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30cm MA4+, +1A(FF) : MA

But that would also alter the Vindicator and the Leman Russ Demolisher (not a problem for the Vindicator, nut LR Demolisher have to be at 250pts per 3).

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:45 am 
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If you give the Baneblade TRA then the Shadowsword must have it too because in Wh40k their armourvalues are identical.

Otherwise the stats from TRC looks good apart from the Mega Battle Cannon wich should benamed Baneblade Battle Cannon with 75cm AP3+/AT3+.


About TRA: I noticed that the Demolisher has Siege Armour (the Vindicator too) which allows them touse their side armourvalue for hits from top.
This effect is the same justification for the Vindicator to have TRA, so shouldn't the Demolisher have it too?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:58 am 
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They can differ in Epic :) (Indeed they did in the past.)

As to the demolisher - it doesn't need it :)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:21 am 
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Perhabs. But i like to have consensus.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:13 am 
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They can differ in Epic


Only if it is 100% unavoidable.

I'm completely against giving TRA to the Baneblade as doing so would be a significant divergance from their 40k rules, and from the background.

As to the demolisher - it doesn't need it

Even though the demolisher actually has a better claim to TRA (fluffwise and ruleswise) than a Baneblade?


Just upgun the Baneblade, since that'll actually bring it into line with its 40k stats anyway, don't alter the main hull, as it's supposed to have the same hull as the other super-heavies (These days anyway... old background is old background, and shouldn't always apply to the modern 40k universe, because the background has changed so much...)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:17 am 
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Because of that I'd give the one super heavy from Forge World Thick Rear Armour, the Stormsword.


Of all the currently-produced Super-Heavy tanks, that's the only one that can even begin to make a claim for TRA, and even then I don't think it should have it.


Shadowsword - Long Range SHBT.

Baneblade - Medium Range SHBT.
Stormblade - Medium Range SHBT.

Stormsword - Short Range 'siege' SHBT.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:40 am 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 26 2007,16:13)
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Even though the demolisher actually has a better claim to TRA (fluffwise and ruleswise) than a Baneblade?

I think the Baneblade has a better claim game wise - as in what in needs to have a role in the system (which is go forward and take areas of ground, then hold them - currently the 'Russ company has a distinct edge and Shadowswords are a better deal).

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:47 am 
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(The_Real_Chris @ Apr. 26 2007,11:40)
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(Evil and Chaos @ Apr. 26 2007,16:13)
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Even though the demolisher actually has a better claim to TRA (fluffwise and ruleswise) than a Baneblade?

I think the Baneblade has a better claim game wise - as in what in needs to have a role in the system (which is go forward and take areas of ground, then hold them - currently the 'Russ company has a distinct edge and Shadowswords are a better deal).

That's not what the Baneblade does in the background however.

That's what the Stormsword does in the background.

The Baneblade is a medium-range Super-Heavy Battle Tank, it's not an ultra short-ranged 'assault tank' like a Stormsword (Where no gun on the vehicle has a range greater than 24" / 30cm).


The Baneblade has no background or rules claim for Thick Rear Armour... all it has is 'well, it'd be better at close range attacks if we gave it TRA...'.


So, what if the Baneblade's main gun was upgraded to be more in-line with the background?

AP3+ / AT2+ would be a good start...

Who needs TRA then... :D

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:11 pm 
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I believe the siege tank takes urban areas - I wasn't suggesting throwing the Baneblade in there, indeed what they do in my experience is try to engage targets in the open, dominating an area of ground around an objective.

The best use of them I have seen is advancing to take an enemy objective (remember you place them) on the mid table line and holding it (note this is with the upgrades) whilst the rest of the army battles on.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:34 pm 
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Sorry TRC, Ya' won't get me to agree that TRA is justifiable. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:21 pm 
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Hi, I should probably point out that I mis-understood the poll (oops) and that I meant to go for option 2.  (I dont suppose theres a way to modify that CS?)

I like your stats TRC, but I also dont think that the problem with the baneblade is survivability- its shootyness is what Id like to see improved.  In particular upgrading the main gun and adding a few more secondary weapon systems is probably enough.  I dont see the baneblade as getting stuck in up close and personal, in my head its rather more like a Tiger Tank- ie tends to stand off and engage targets at medium range (ie outside of FF) and is an unholy terror to tanks and infantry alike, who will have difficulty penetrating the armour at long range  but is also susceptible to being swarmed and flanked (ie no TRA).  Just my two pen'orth




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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:05 pm 
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If the main gun needs changing why not give it the vanquisher battle cannon stats (ap4+/at2+).It shouldn't need a boost to the ap attack if it's getting 2 extra heavy bolters.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:55 pm 
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If you gave the Shadowsword Thick Rear Armor, wouldnt the Stormblade and Stormsword both get it as well, based on the fact that they are the same hulls.

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