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Sergeant_Crunch
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 4:49 pm 
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OK, I've been slogging my way through a number of rulesets and they're started to get mixed together in my head.  So I appeal to yall.

What is the difference between Epic Armageddon, NetEpic 5.0, NetEpic Gold (aside from GW supposedly supports Armageddon, which would actually be a con for me)?

How do they play, more specifically, how does the play differ?

Is there some kind of magic formula for creating a new faction/army/race or is it a random try out point values until it works kind of thing?  If I were to use other lines of miniatures would I be basically stuck with a "this model has the same stats as this one in the book" methodology?

Why should I play one over the other?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:40 pm 
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Epic: Armageddon, as you probably know, is GW's latest version of Epic. It is based loosely on the Epic40k rules, but is otherwise dissimilar to all other version of Epic.

NetEpic is a fan-based version created after GW axed SM2/TL. NetEpic Gold is merely an "enhanced" version, with artwork and pictures that NetEpic  lacks. One major difference between SM2 and NetEpic, is that in SM2 each player would move all his minis and then the other player would move all of his, while NetEpic is like E:A where players take turns moving formations. Also, NetEpic and SM2 have loads of special rules for special units and is more detailed, whereas E:A is more streamlined in that respect.

As for how they play, for the most part E:A and NetEpic are completely differetn games. However, IMO, both do a good job of capturing a similar feel of combat on a large scale. Which you should play is a matter of personal preference. If you learned epic with the SM2 rules, NetEpic feels the same and (I'm guessing) most players of NetEpic are players who dislike E40k, which was a radical departure from SM2.

Creating new armies for any version of Epic is a challenge. You basically need to balance the points for a new army versus existing armies. Formations with similar strengths should cost about the same. For NetEpic, someone did create an equation of how to determine about how much a unit would cost given its capabilities.

A discussion of which Epic is "best" could (and has  :D ) cause tons of discussion. Again, it all boils down to personal preference.

Hope this helps!

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In my humble opinion, the best reason to choose a particular ruleset or version of a ruleset is availability of opponents.  

If you can only find a couple of people playing 6mm, and they already play a particular ruleset, I'd have to seriously consider that one.  

Once you learn the mechanics of their game, you may be able to get them to try others.

Maybe this isn't the case for you, but it is for many.

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hey!! you must play to netepic because the arwork is awesommmmmme!!!  :D

seriously, you can play both games the two systems are different.

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PS: the netepic artwork is AWESOME!!  :p

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:01 pm 
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Hi!

DS gave a good summary. If you need more specifics on netepic, let me know.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:34 pm 
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Opponents isn't an issue. ?All anyone plays around here are the core games which I refuse to touch with a 10ft pole. ?Only reason I plan to finish my IG army for 40k is to sell it on Ebay. ?Luckily my wife will play if we can keep the kids occupied enough to leave the table alone.

I suppose I should've mentioned that my only previous experience with any version of Epic was playing Final Liberation on my PC (still have it on my laptop :) ).

What was it about Epic40k that was such a major departure from SM2 aside from the streamlining of special abilities?




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Like E:A the best of all iterations ... We added some of the stuff from SM1 and a little SM2 & E40K ... as well as deleted some of the E:A we don't like ... :D

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:46 am 
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(Sergeant_Crunch @ Nov. 09 2006,17:34)
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What was it about Epic40k that was such a major departure from SM2 aside from the streamlining of special abilities?

Well, the individual weapons systems were converted to a 'firepower' system...where you added up the firepower number and rolled dice according to a chart.  Lots of adding...not a big deal for me, but was for some.  The problem I had with it was it tended to lend itself to battles with generic armies that looked and fought mostly the same. Massive formations... I remember one that stretched 4 feet !!!!!  
    When they ditched that in favor of returning to the old way, but more streamlined than before, I think they got the best of both worlds.  As far as being a GW game, for the most part the rules were heavily influenced and playtested by the fan base, which was a first (I think).  


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:19 am 
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Thanks for the feedback guys.  I really appreciate it.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:23 pm 
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That's what we're here for.  :cool:

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It may also be worth mentioning the the rule books for both systems are available as free downloads, so you can work out which one works for you easily.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:01 pm 
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(CyberShadow @ Nov. 11 2006,12:27)
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It may also be worth mentioning the the rule books for both systems are available as free downloads, so you can work out which one works for you easily.

Where can I download Net Epic/Net Epic Gold?  I've tried to get it from netepic.org but the links don't seem to be working...  :(

Having discovered Epic far too late to have played the much hallowed SM/TL era version, I'm interested to see how the 'continuation' of the rule set differs (or even betters) E:A.

Thanks!  :cool:
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As far as I am aware (and Tom or Peter can step in here), NetEpic Gold is still a work in progress. NetEpic4.x was available from the NetEpic site, and should be again when Tom can sort out the links.

Alternatively, I dont know if the rules are available on the Yahoo NetEpic Group.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:10 pm 
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Firestorm, afaik, there is no difference rules-wise between NetEpic v5.0 and NetEpic Gold. NetEpic Gold is an "enhanced" version which includes graphics that Netepic lacks. CS is correct in that NetEpic Gold is currently a WIP. Here is a link for the core rules:

NetEpic Gold core rules

The links for downloading NetEpic are being fixed. However, I did download most of 5.0 and I can email you the pdf's if you wish.

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Ahh, thanks very much lads! That's great :D  :cool:
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