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More exposure for CAV
consectari
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:04 pm 
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In the last couple of months or so, I've posted up links to various CAV minis, usually as suggested proxies for Chaos vehicles. ?

The recent appearance of Sergeant Crunch (a regular on the CAV forum) here at TacComm, and all the activity with DRM & E/W has inspired me to try to bring CAV to the attention of the 6mm community. ?It's cheap and easily as detailed as the DRM stuff I've purchased. ?Lots of titan scale walkers & SHT sized AFVs and APCs ?

While CAV is N-scale (or close to 10mm), it still has alot of models with great potential for use in 6mm. ?Models are usually VERY reasonably priced (especially when their size is considered) and good quality. ?Here are a few links. ?I've purchased several CAV models and have been very pleased with them.

The CAV Gallery

The Online Store

Hedgehog
Close to the Thunderhawk in size and 2 for $10.99 as opposed to 1 for $20.00

Lance
A nice SHT, 2 for $9.99 as opposed to $17 each.

Weapons Pack I

Weapons Pack II
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Weapons Pack III
Looks like great conversion fodder

Poltergeist

Sultan
A nice looking Titan scale walker

Hunter
An SHT

Chieftain
A Grav SHT, prob. next on my purchase list

Sabre AFV

Ghast
An awesome gunship

Malefactor
SHT

Outlaw
An SHT Missile Tank! ?Yeah, I'm gettin' this!

Raider APC
A super heavy Razorback?

Tsukai APC
I believe you only get one of these, but I also believe it to be a VERY large tank.

Dragonfly Aircraft

Scarab
Another single tank pack

Banshee
A VERY large Grav tank

Initially, Reaper made their aircraft smaller than scale to keep cost down. ?They have begun to produce True-Scale versions of these. ?Size wise, they are on par with DRM drop ships or Space Marine Landing Craft, but far cheaper than either.

Up-Scaled Hedgehog

Czar APC
This is the Drop Ship I've always dreamed of and at $15.99! ?Alot better than $45.00

Here are pics of some of the up-scaled ships next to a CAV titan scale walker or the original smaller version if available. ?The metal hex bases are, I believe, either 33mm or 35mm side to side. ?Excellent, excellent drop ships! ?

The CAV line is perfect to add some super heavy punch to your 6mm games.

No I'm not being paid, I just want everyone to be aware of the full range of available minis;-)

I did look around a bit for a UK distributor. ?It appears there is one, but I couldn't find a web site.




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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:20 pm 
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I quite like the Dingo tank. A turreted chassis with a gatling gun... What's not to like? :D

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:22 pm 
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Wow, nice stuff. Thank god I'm not even tempted by them.  :D

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 11:15 pm 
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Some CAV stuff looks nice, but I don't like the design on a lot of it. ?Too boxy, or something. ?Though the Czar and other aircraft are making me drool...

Minifigs is Reaper's primary UK distributor, AFAIK. ?Though they're a fair way behind on keeping up with releases.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 2:41 am 
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OK, lets try this again, my stupid browser closed after a rather lengthy reply.

Since consectari mentioned me by name I thought I'd toss my $.02 in.

First, I love CAV.  Reaper as a company are great folks, despite issues they've had with publishing books.  The models are excellent quality, and if you do get a piece with mold shift or is malformed they'll replace it for free with a simple email.  That boxy look is what drew me to them to begin with.  The models look like they were designed by engineers rather than artists and appear almost feasible (well, for the most part).  This is largely due I think to the models being designed in Rhino3D (a CAD program) then sent to a rapid prototyping service to create the initial model. (It's a bit more involved than that, but that's where it starts)  The newer models they have planned aren't quite as boxy are quite intricate, like the Emperor.

If you want to see some painted, here's my photobucket gallery, which is mostly CAV stuff.  Or you can do a search at CMON with Reaper as the manufacturer and SF as the category.  Another good site is Mil-Net.  Also, if you do a search in Reaper's forums in the "Show Off" forum with CAV as the search keyword you'll turn up a lot of great stuff.

Now, I'm sure you're asking, "If it's so great why are you getting into 6mm?"  Well, CAV (at least as the current beta rules go) is great for company or company(+) games a battalion sized game can be done, but will take a while.  I have a penchant for big games with lots of models on the table, that's why I'm going for 6mm.  That and while nowhere near as bad as Battletech, there is still a slight bias towards the big stompy robots over the vehicles and infantry.  Hopefully this will not be the case when they release the final version of CAV2 (in development for some time now).  I'm looking at 6mm for playing out large sci-fi battles with mostly tanks and infantry while looking to CAV for my big stompy robot fix.

In perspective to 6mm gaming here's what I've been thinking:

- Aircraft with a model number less than 7094 are anywhere up to 1/3 of N Scale (1/160).  This was done to save money for the customers.  I'm thinking that these smaller scale aircraft could be used for VTOLs or aerospace fighters.  I've got some GZG 6mm minis on the way and will compare them to see how well this idea will work.

- Some of the older tanks are also smaller than N scale, so could prove useful.  Again, I'll need to compare to see.

- As mentioned above, the Czar looks like it could make a great dropship or assault transport type vessel.  Some of the other resized flying troop transports (especially the Badger when they get to it) could also fill this role.  I'll most likely be picking up a Czar in the near future.

Once I get those GZG figs I can take some side by side comparison photos if anyone is interested.  I've been sick lately so can't guarantee how soon that'll be though.

Oh, one more thing, this is a plug for a friend's webstore.  If you're thinking about buying some Reaper figs, check out Exodus Road Hobbies and Miniatures.  (No, I don't get kickbacks from them)  It started out primarily as a Battletech site, but sells many other lines with almost everything at a 20% discount.  Customer service is top notch.

Eventually I'll get an intro post up in the the general discussion forum.

enjoy,
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:40 am 
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(Sergeant_Crunch @ Nov. 06 2006,20:41)
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Since consectari mentioned me by name I thought I'd toss my $.02 in.

Hope you don't mind my taking your name in vain. ?:;):

In my opinion, the "boxier" looking vehicles are the ones that lean towards a more "modern" look and actually get that look from their boxyness.

I personally have picked up the Spider, Hunter, Badger, Mantis, and Jaguar, as well as having seen the Lance in person. ?I also have much of the DRM line, several pieces from GZG, and at least one each of the more common pre-Armageddon Epic pieces (no Warmongers, metal marines, or Banelords) to compare them to.

The Hunter and Lance are basically perfect matches for Epic super heavy tanks. ?The Mantis is close to the size of an Epic Reaver, the Jaguar is the size of a Forge World Warhound (though bulkier). ?The Badger (which I'm really quite fond of), is larger than the older Thunderhawk (not the Thunderbrick), but a little smaller than the Newest Thunderhawk. ?Most of the original CAV fliers should be about Epic Bomber size.

You won't be able to pick up a CAV army and have it fit in w/ a 6mm army, but there are alot of pieces that will fill niche roles and usually at a cheaper price than other options. ?Especially the new up-scaled fliers. ?These are close to or bigger than DRM drop ships. ?They are very nice.

The pieces I have are equal in quality to the DRM line and superior to GZG.

I'm just trying to offer some more options to those in the market.

I haven't taken comparison pictures yet because
1) I'm not that good at it.
2) I'm lazy




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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:50 am 
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The Cav minis are some the best minis ever produced. ?They rank up there with the Cold Navy Star ships and such.

Just nicely done.

The only problem I had with Cav minis was their chosen scale.

I was already invested in 6mm and 15mm ?and didn;t need another. ?

I tried to use Cav minis with my battletech stuff but things just stand out that you are looking at a different scale of vehicles. ?The cockpits especially are a give away.

I would look for the smaller vehciles and expect them to be heavy tanks in epic. ?

But like I said you can't beat their quality. ?I wish they did them in 15mm.

As a side note the flyers because they are not in scale would be perfect for epic.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:30 am 
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Hope you don't mind my taking your name in vain.

No worries.

The only problem I had with Cav minis was their chosen scale.That's part of the reason I'm starting to get into 6mm. I don't have to scratchbuild all my buildings and terrain as there is plenty of 6mm buildings and stuff readily available.

One thing to keep in mind with CAV, Battletech and Heavy Gear is that they are all different scales and the models in real life would be different sizes.  At actual size a CAV (average about 30ft tall) would be taller than a Gear, and a Battlemech would tower over a CAV.  But becuase of the different scales used in the various lines, the miniatures are roughly about the same size though the cockpits do give them away.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 8:30 am 
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Hey, that Ghast thingy IS nice.  :cool:  :D  :D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 11:47 am 
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Indeed. I did some serious looking around when I decided to get into a 'mech' game. I looked at Battletech, but the complexity of it put me off (although I have one of the old variants somewhere) and the minis for CAV are just so cool. They are how robots would really look (if we actually lost our senses and built them for battle). The Battletech mechs are way too thin and strange looking for my taste.

I picked up CAV1 about a year ago, and I really like the original rules. The JoR books are excellent just to flick through. I havent played it much as I am waiting for second edition.

Hopefully this will not be the case when they release the final version of CAV2 (in development for some time now).


*cough* Soon!  :p

I have a handful of CAVs - A Tiger, Mantis, Knight, Jaguar and a few others. Just CAVs for now, as I was waiting to see exactly what would be up-sized before getting other armour. I really should finally get around to painting up that Spider!

While they are a different scale, they are smaller in 'real life' to it does balance out for a lot of the time (there was a thread a while ago here about the Ogre as an Ork Gargant!).

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:33 pm 
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Last night in a  medication induced delirium I had the idea of pitting a force of 6mm figs against my CAVs in a "David vs. Goliath" or "Gulliver vs. Lilliputians" kind of battle with DSII.  Just need to stat out those CAV models.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 1:05 pm 
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Further to Lion in the Stars' comments on the 'CAV aircraft going to N-scale' topic: I think the Ghast - and others - would make good Vultures, but I think I'd prefer the Lynx as a Valkyrie substitute. :)

Actually... someone please educate me. ?Is the Fenri a gunship or APC? ?At first glance I thought it was the former, but after LitS' comment and looking at it again, I think I was wrong.

I'm also tempted to add both scales of Hedgehogs to my wishlist, though I have no use for Thunderhawks. ?Maybe as something else.

Airborne Techguard. ?Mmm...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 5:10 pm 
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Hi C.,

Thanks for a great thread.

I really like the CAV line...

Shalom,
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2006 7:14 pm 
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(Vermis @ Nov. 14 2006,06:05)
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Actually... someone please educate me. ?Is the Fenri a gunship or APC? ?At first glance I thought it was the former, but after LitS' comment and looking at it again, I think I was wrong.

The Fenri is an APC.

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