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PostPosted: Sun May 21, 2006 11:45 pm 
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The thing is, if it[the planet/asteroid] is big enough for that sort of thing, they'd simply gouge it to pieces using the ship-mounted equipment [the main cutting beam itself, the little circle in the middle of that Stronghold], well, that's how I'd have called it had I been mining!  :p

Still, it's also a fairly viable concept for something. My main worry with it [apart from it being redundant IMO when you've a f'n great starship somewhere within the system] is that it's 'too' close-ish to the Termite/Mole from past generations of Squats, IG and Marines[IIRC]. True, a suitably different concept could easily work for it.

The thing, as I see it, with the 'smaller' [ie not a starship] style Demiurg stuff is that it's/they're mainly used for prospecting work, or actually sifting through the larger chunks and searching for the smaller nuggets of useful stuff. The big ships themselves seem to be fine in dealing with 'big stuff' and massive chunks[the cutting beam can likely be tuned to 'boil off' unwanted substances], whilst the smaller things are deployed for...smaller things.

[An amusing thought I had. Demiurg ships: Massive. These things, massive, in a sense, but can probably be stored relatively easily in rather large cargo holds. I can envisage at least hundreds of these stored in a Bastion Class Commerce Vessel alone. The reason they're not deployed more often by the Tau? They haven't payed the Demiurg *quite* enough yet... :(8:  :p

Now, finally, the Demiurg are allowing a realisation of the true 'mighty' scales of the 41st Millenium! ]

As an aside, I can also see these things having a rather large 'cargo' space themselves...much of which could be taken up by smaller automatons and drones to actually 'get' the pieces. It's very much an 'aside' at this point, but perhaps some form of drone-drop or ... something....just as a consideration.

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 12:28 am 
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Why not just have the main section hover using antigrav?


The legs seem a little unwieldy.


(Rules flash - maybe Demiurg Void Shields scoop up blast markers and use them to power the short-range Cutting Beam!)


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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:19 am 
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EDIT: Gary, or anyone else who'll know, of interest- How does the 'side panel'[long horizontal bit] on the side of a Bastion Class Commerce Vessel compare 'size-wise' to a Warlord?

That's not what the blast markers in epic represent and you know it!

As for the anti-grav...I'm not keen on having it like that...too necron-monolith/anything-necron-in-epic IMO. The legs seem oka for when it's stationary or making limited movement nearby. It's 'agile' in the same way an artisans hands are agile, it can't dance on the head of a pin, unlike the Revenant, the 'slow jump pack' seems the best way to represent what we're all thinking...skimmer doesn't feel right...

Anyhow, I bring you fresh from the forges a concept from earlier in my sketches, but only newly convered via MS Paint!



Tiberium anyone? ?:(8:

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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 2:27 pm 
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Quote (Xisor @ 22 May 2006 (02:19))
EDIT: Gary, or anyone else who'll know, of interest- How does the 'side panel'[long horizontal bit] on the side of a Bastion Class Commerce Vessel compare 'size-wise' to a Warlord?

It's size is somewhat similar to the warlord's forearms (or should i say to the warlord's big guns?). What are you thinking????

I liked best the sketch before this one. I think your latest seem too bulky...

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PostPosted: Tue May 23, 2006 11:29 pm 
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Quote (HecklerMD @ 21 May 2006 (07:22))
Is that thing on the bottom supposed to look phallic? ???

Also, how about the Kroot Shapers had their kindred munch on dead Orkeasaursis or 'Nid Bio-Titans and now there are Kroot Titans! ?Or captured Imperial titans crewed by Gu'evessa!:p

I'm voting... No.

LMAO - uhh... ditto!

Heckler, Is CS seriously considering this for our E:A Tau? God I hope not.

Blah... Tau should never have a walking titan! Heh, and Demiurg in E:A Tau ground battles? Ulgh...

+ + +

I'd recomend Demiurg fans move toward putting their own fan list together if the merge is desired by some in E:A.

I definitely vote with other's here. Emphatic "NO!"

The focus on this E:A Tau list is not surprisingly - the Tau.

E:A is a larger 40K game on the ground, its not a spin off of some mercanary alliance seen in a couple 3 space ship battles somewhere in another 40K spin-off game.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:12 am 
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Quote (Tactica @ 23 May 2006 (23:29))
Heckler, Is CS seriously considering this for our E:A Tau? God I hope not.

Ummm.... no.  :D

This discussion is interesting, and I have no intention of closing it down as I am interested to see where it goes, but I have stated on the Manta thread that there will be huge changes such as these to the list.

We are dealing with the Tau, with auxiliaries here. I dont see a need to add 'non sanctioned by GW' titans which also take the list in a new direction.

There is already a Demiurg list around, but currently BFG is the only place the sets a link between these two races. Anyway, follow this development to its logical end, and please let me know if anyone actually builds one of these!

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:04 pm 
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Heh, I'm in complete agreement with Tactica on this


And I hope you're all sitting down, but I agree with Hena as well. ? :D

However, from a modeling perspective, I really like the concept as it has been fleshed out so far and think it wouldn't be too difficult to put something like this together.

Very interesting idea indeed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:24 pm 
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Quote (Tactica @ 23 May 2006 (23:29))
Quote (HecklerMD @ 21 May 2006 (07:22))

I'd recomend Demiurg fans move toward putting their own fan list together if the merge is desired by some in E:A.

Demiurg List

FYI ePilgrim did up a list for the Demiurg already. ?I can tell straight out it wasn't the direction Xisor had wanted for them, but creativity takes people in different directions.

Maybe ePilgrim and Xisor can collaborate on a Titan for the Demiurg? ?Just a thought. :cool: ?:devil:

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 2:47 pm 
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Those sketches make it look like something out of the Clone Wars cartoon that was on Cartoon Network a few years back. I can easily picture a bunch of clone troopers and battle droids fighting it out under that thing as the legs come crashing down, crushing the unfortunate fodder.

The only other thing I have to say is that I disagree with what the title of the thread implies. I don't think most tau players want a tau titan. Granted this is really a Demiurge titan, but still (I don't even think the Dems should have them, IMO, since I basically associate them with Squats - rightly or wrongly). Also, the walking building concept reminds me of the scene in the movie Big, where Tom Hanks' character points out that a transforming building really isn't that fun or cool.


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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:20 pm 
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Well, if I may explain my position on why, IMO, Demiurg should move in a completely different direction to Squats:

- Squats are gone and not coming back
- The idea was difficult to work with for GW. They managed okay in Epic Scale, but they're gone. Including Epic Scale
- Demiurg, IMO, seem viable to go in a completely different direction to Squats, and I feel this is crucial if the idea is to have them 'official' or sanctioned
- Squats and Demiurg aren't the same. Demiurg are the 'new sheet' to work with because GW found Squats, in the end, unworkable[mainly through studio apathy].
- Almost every Demiurg list on this forum is one which is made for people who have squat models. I'm know folks don't like it, but my opinion is that almost every list so far[inc ePilgrims] is basically a rehash of old and rejected Squat ideas. The latest lists have had appeal...but as squats. Seeing them as Demiurg just makes me sad, but we simply don't know. My work is much more of a leap from the old, mainly on the basis that squats are gone and not to brought back. This isn't as easy, or as desired for folks that actually own Squat stuff.

The name isn't really misleading as such, it's more...hypothetical. Still, the point stands: not everyone wants a Tau Titan, which is fair enough.

Please, believe this is a jokey way of putting it, but Tactica's assertion of the purpose of the Tau list does seem a little bit racist given the fluff of the Tau Empire. The Tau make extensive use of Mercs and aliens, they essentially *are* the aforementioned  "spin off of some mercanary alliance seen in a couple 3 space ship battles somewhere in another 40K spin-off game". Still, CS seems content to 'see it to its logical end', so I'm going to keep talking until someon clobbers me over the head. :p

As an aside, I did a wee bit of work a while back, and it's *really* basic concept text and stats, but I feel you may as well look at it for where I've come from on this.

Still, there ain't a Kroot Merc list, and the Kroot are far more noted ground fighters in larger battles than the Demiurg are. I don't think it's required that we see a 'seperate' list for the Demiurg, but one which accounts for their role nicely.

And, from that, I can easily see the Demiurg Brotherhood upon a Bastion Class Commerce Vessel sending a few 'torpedoes'[ie these] in the direction of the Tau forces as aid for them. Hell, the Tau may actually have bought their services...it's not beyond belief.

So, my main point is: It's plausible for the Demiurg to present *something* in force for the Tau. If they're mercs anyway, then I don't see why it couldn't be these! Fair enough my sketches are rather poor, the 'idea' of it seems appealing to me. It may not be what the Tau need, but they don't really need them in BFG either, it's an added bonus IMO.

Sorry for waxing lyrical!  :oops:

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:31 pm 
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Ok if you really want a Tau titan here's my ideas





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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 11:33 pm 
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Please, believe this is a jokey way of putting it, but Tactica's assertion of the purpose of the Tau list does seem a little bit racist given the fluff of the Tau Empire


I think you should be very careful how you use the word "racist". After all, we are talking about a game.

I believe that Tactica was expressing a preference for how he would like the Tau to be and it is no less valid than your assumption that Tau ought to be more closely integrated with the races in their empire.

Both opinions are equally valid as you could make arguments to support either.

Tactica is not the only person who prefers to play the Tau "pure".

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Ooh, ooh, ooh! Can I sign up for the super deathray variant of the Manta that destroys everything it shoots at and has a +1 Deflector shield?

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PostPosted: Thu May 25, 2006 1:29 am 
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Quote (Hena @ 24 May 2006 (02:28))
Heh, I'm in complete agreement with Tactica on this :D.

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Glad we can see i2i on this one Hena. :cool:

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