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tneva82

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 9:22 am

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Quote (The_Real_Chris @ 28 Mar. 2006 (08:58))

Oh and a ryza pattern russ is clearly a Leman russ with plasma side sponsons

Ryza pattern is any russ produced on Ryza

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BlackLegion

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 3:42 pm

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I like Xisors idea

And i'm a fan of points cost for the different weapons system instead to balancing all weapons to each other.
I still think it is better to buy a basis titan chassis and pay further points to fill the hardpoints with weapons and to buy upgrades.

With the 2/3 titans and 1/3 rest the list could be look like this:

Core Choices:

Titan Battlegroups
- 1-3 Battletitans (Warlord or Reaver or a mix of them)
- 2 Warhounds

Auxilia: (3 for each Titan Battlegroup)
- 1 Warhound
- 1 Ordinatus

33% allowance:
Imperial Navy Aircraft
- 2 Thunderbolts
- 2 Marauders

Imperial Guard (NO upgrades allowed)
- Mechanised Infantry Company
- Infantry Company
- Tank Company
- Artillery Company
- Super Heavy Tank Company

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Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:53 pm

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Quote (Xisor @ 27 Mar. 2006 (21:21))

As an offhand and odd suggestion, to 'regain focus'. I'll explain my reasoning currently:

1- The list so far looks alot more like an Adepus Mechanicus 'army' rather than a Titan Legion list. IIRC Skitari and Ordinatus are seperate from the Collegia[?] Titanica
2- A strictly 'Titan Legion' force should be Titans[and to a degree: knights], with the rest support and allies.
3- Epic: Armageddon GT scenario still doesn't allow us players to accurately model armies representative of the 'Great Battles' of the 40k-verse.

Now, a very strict suggestion in this respect would simply be to 'cripple' the lists ability to do things:

Titan Legions [and perhaps Knights] make up the standard 'available' and unrestricted list.

Everything else goes into the 'support and allies' thirty three percent margin. It's quite simple. Skitarii, Air Support, Ordinatus all fall under the thirty three percent maximum. It makes it quite simple IMO. It means the WE focus of the list is terrifically[sp?] focused, but restricts the add-ons that can make up the list too.

I'd say, offhand, this'd be something to consider.

Xisor

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I have been in favour of reinforcing the Titan element to AMTL all along.

Cheers

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The_Real_Chris

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 2:09 am

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Well, i can show you my original alternate list which is just that

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:02 am

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I think the Infantry (Skatarii) of a TL should have all 4 type weapons. They each fulfill a roll that is needed to support the Infantry ... Anti-Tank, Anti-personal, Indirect and direct fire support ...

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:08 am

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We use the 50% rule ...50% of your TL BFL can be used for Titan(s) ...

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ragnarok

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 8:46 am

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A radical ideaI have had is that each titan can have a certain number of SKitarri support formations

For example
Knights 0
Warhound packs 0-1
Reavers 0-2
Warlords 0-3
Ordinatus 0-4

These support formations are
infantry
Mech infantry
field guns
SPA ect

However the twist in my idea is that they have to maintain a 20cm (30cm?) cohereancy with the titan they were brought for. Thus you couldn't field close assault reavers and field guns, since the guns will need to spend each turn marching to keep up with the Reaver.

Support formations that are out of cohereancy suffer D3 BM at the end of the turn, and being smallish this could be enough to break them.

This idea could also make the enemy concentrate their fire on the titans, rather than just try to kill the support formations and the legions activations, since when the titan dies its support formations have to stay near its corpse.

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Grimshawl

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:03 pm

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sounds interesting but also breaches one of the fundamental doctrones of epic A army list building, dont make more specialty rules AKA rules creep if you dont have to, especially as your opponet would have to be knowlegable about this specific rule that only effects your army.

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Blarg D Impaler

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:25 pm

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Back when this army list was first being sussed out I had made the suggestion of making this army list a "flip" of the typical army list. Instead of being 2/3 infantry and vehicles and 1/3 titans the list should be 2/3 titans and 1/3 support. That was viewed as being too radical. Personally I am not too concerned as to whether it is 50% / 50% or 67% / 33% titans to support, as long as there are titans required. Hence the reason why I have also suggested before a caveat to the army list that at least one titan has to be a battle titan, making sure that the list has that titan feel to it and going with fluff to prevent all Warhound armies, as decreed by the Imperium.

Ragnorak suggestion (caution, I may be reading too much into it) of making the AMTL core units titans only has merit to it also. The unit coherency rules are covered under the war engine rules (5cm distance for every DC that the war engine has?) Allowing 1 Ordinatus as a core unit would be realistic. (More if it were a Divisio Investigatus army list.)

One of the complaints about this AMTL list is that it is too diluted so that more of the old units can be brought in. (A noble goal in my opinion.) One of my big complaints is that there are several units that are not represented that should be. Since the different Legions are assumed to be different from each other, like the Space Marine Chapters and the different Eldar craftworlds, then maybe there should be different army lists for different titan chapters.

titan heavy legion (min. of 67% titans)
fast attack titan legion (no warlords, Valkyries & Vultures allowed limited numbers)
infantry heavy titan legion (up to 1/2 core units may be infantry companies)
SHV heavy titan legion (up to 1/2 core units may be equivelant IG SHV companies)
Knight World "titan legion" (lots of knights and infantry w/ limited titans for nobles)
Divisio Mandati legion (Emperor Titans!)
Divisio Investigatus legion (lots of Ordinatus, limited alien tech, other wacky stuff)
Divisio Telepathica legion (Psi-Titans, Grey Knights, Deathwatch? space marines)

There are lots of things that could be done to bring clarity ot AMTL amries...

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tneva82

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:41 pm

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Quote (Blarg D Impaler @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:25))

then maybe there should be different army lists for different titan chapters.

Which is how I will go doing my titans. And not just organisation but also WEAPONRY(different legions have different preferences of weapons. Legio Victorum for example prefers medium and long range weapons with very few titans having assault weapons etc).

EpicA suits variant lists(and frankly it's designed for that) that single generic list is simply odd idea.

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:48 pm

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Quote (tneva82 @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:41))

EpicA suits variant lists(and frankly it's designed for that) that single generic list is simply odd idea.

I totally agree with this!

AMTL list players should be looking at that 'moniker' in the same way as "Eldar" or "Ork", in that it's the "race" of the army, and then they should focus on a type of Legio just like other armies focus on a Craftworld or Marine Chapter and develop specific lists from there.

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tneva82

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:57 pm

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Quote (Chroma @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:48))

Quote (tneva82 @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:41))

EpicA suits variant lists(and frankly it's designed for that) that single generic list is simply odd idea.

Wow! I wrote something to AMTL forum and somebody actually AGREED with it :laugh:

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But yeah. That's the viewpoint I have for Epic lists(and which I generally prefer all the games). And when I read on designers notes about grand tournament army lists that basicly it's what Jervis wanted for Epic I was overjoyed.

Generic lists are IMO not even close as favourfull and interesting as lists specifics for certain armies or even campaigns.

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The_Real_Chris

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:37 pm

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Well the amtl isn't alone the Tau list is also generic.

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Dwarf Supreme

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:56 pm

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Quote (tneva82 @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:57))

Quote (Chroma @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:48))

Quote (tneva82 @ 29 Mar. 2006 (17:41))

EpicA suits variant lists(and frankly it's designed for that) that single generic list is simply odd idea.

Wow! I wrote something to AMTL forum and somebody actually AGREED with it ? :laugh:

Well, that's what happens when you come up with hair-brained ideas.

But seriously, I never really thought about having separate lists for different Titan legions like SM chapters. Good idea.

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tneva82

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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 7:16 pm

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Quote (Dwarf Supreme @ 29 Mar. 2006 (18:56))

But seriously, I never really thought about having separate lists for different Titan legions like SM chapters. Good idea.

And the idea I was advocating long ago in the original epic forums as well...But no effect then, no effect now.

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