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V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish
clausewitz	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:01 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Hear, hear! We already have Ignore Cover on the Stingray missiles. No need to duplicate that thing in another unit. This is due to utilising the same weapon on two different units.  Ignore cover wasn't just tacked on as an after-thought.  We were trying not to create another new weapon type. Is the concensus that removing ignore cover (IC) would be better balanced, without causing confusion with some "sub-munitions" weapons having IC, and some not?

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Honda

Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:39 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:44 pm Posts: 1891 Location: Katy, Republic of Texas

Is the concensus that removing ignore cover (IC) would be better balanced, without causing confusion with some "sub-munitions" weapons having IC, and some not? No, I would not say that there is a consensus on this. Leave it as is, an cost it appropriately. I also agree on the 8x shots being potentially too many, so would favor a bounce down to 6. That's still a fair amount for a pair of these. I'm also thinking that these are going to be in the 450-500 pt range. _________________ Honda "Remember Taros? We do" - 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

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The_Real_Chris	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:30 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Mon Jul 04, 2005 4:45 pm Posts: 8139 Location: London	Ignore cover is a can't hide you are dead weapon, like MW and similar (the worse being BP3 MW, ignore cover ). Overuse of these in a list make it a less fun fight as the becomes become pile in and kill it, don't worry about the manovers (to badly quote Nelson) or in this case cover. _________________ If using E-Bay use this link to support Tac Com! 'Abolish red trousers?! Never! Red trousers are France!' – Eugene Etienne, War Minister, 1913 "Gentlemen, we may not make history tomorrow, but we shall certainly change the geography." General Plumer, 191x
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thurse	Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:32 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:13 pm Posts: 185 Location: Dundee, Scotland	Concerning the ignore cover ability, I agree with TRC, but it is a nice way for tau to deal with covered infantry, as they often do not have the power to assault them. However, we still have stingrays to do that, so personaly, I would rather see the SF in a role that cant be taken by another unit in the army. That's why I like two of the previous proposition : 1) Close/Medium range infantry support OR 2) long range MW missile support ( heavy tanks/war engine hunter ) It seems that we are going towards the second one... Well I'm ok, but I would have prefered something that advance with firewarriors and/or crisis...
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clausewitz

Post subject: V4.4 - Scorpionfish and Dragonfish Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:03 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland

Scorpionfish blurb.. After the shock of facing Imperial Super-heavy tanks in the Damocles crusade and later conflicts, the Tau have been putting considerable effort in developing their own Super-heavy gunships. Lacking any other large vehicle as a basis, the Orca Dropship has been heavily armed and armoured, effectively reducing its mobility down to being a surfacebound skimmer. This variant is called Scorpionfish Missile Gunship and is carrying no less than a full complement of Hunter, Seeker, Tracer and Smart Missiles, as well as the direct-firing Missile Pods. It has no single main weapon, but rather acts as platform for a number of smaller systems, enabling it to engage any type of threat. This kind of flexibility has proven to be a major asset in recent Tau campaigns. It may be a bit slower than the majority of Tau units, but it also has skimmer capabilities, so negotiating difficult terrain normally isn?t an issue. It forms part of the stout firing line at the back of the Tau army, anchoring the defences like a solid rock. Emphasis mine.. This is why I think that the Tracers and Sub-munitions Missiles seem appropriate.  As then the unit really can 'engage any type of threat'. Concerning the ignore cover ability, I agree with TRC, but it is a nice way for tau to deal with covered infantry, as they often do not have the power to assault them.

Very important point.  Try shooting at an IG infantry company/Ork warband in cover and see if you can move it.  It takes a much larger value of shooting units than assaulting units to break/move them.

@Honda, I agree.