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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP  Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:13 pm |
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I'm not sure about making tyranid warriors LV. They will be wilted by AT fire. Unless an excessive amount of AV uncommon brood creatures are used, which is too expensive.
I don't like the concept that I will need ti get 150pts plus of uncommon AV brood creatures to guard my 150pts synpase creatures. If I'm going to do that then I might as well replace them with a tyrant and another 50pt AV brood creature.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:15 pm |
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Dang it! I thought I'd caught all the armour changes. I'll post up a repaired version in a few moments.
As to Warriors being LVs, well I see it for things like Lictors and 'Thropes because, usually, they're off floating by themselves. For Warriors to become LVs gives them a serious disadvantage when leading an infantry swarm... of course, with Ravener LVs and such, maybe it's not so bad... and they *are* lascannon targets, even if they don't get insta-killed! *laugh*
Yeah, lets try them as LVs... I might suggest a special rule for them under "Xenobiology", something like "Mobility" - All Tyranid light vehicles are treated as infantry for terrain effects.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:23 pm |
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| Quote (Chroma @ 15 Nov. 2005 (21:15)) | | Yeah, lets try them as LVs... I might suggest a special rule for them under "Xenobiology", something like "Mobility" - All Tyranid light vehicles are treated as infantry for terrain effects. |
Why not just give them walker like IG sentinels?
Or do you mean they should get infantry cover saves as well?
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:26 pm |
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| Quote (ragnarok @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:13)) | I'm not sure about making tyranid warriors LV. ?They will be wilted by AT fire. ?Unless an excessive amount of AV uncommon brood creatures are used, which is too expensive.
I don't like the concept that I will need ti get 150pts plus of uncommon AV brood creatures to guard my 150pts synpase creatures. ?If I'm going to do that then I might as well ?replace them with a tyrant and another 50pt AV brood creature. |
I'm leary of it too ragnarok, but if Raveners are LV as well, that gives them some screening.
Try it either way, I'd say!
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:27 pm |
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| Quote (ragnarok @ 15 Nov. 2005 (21:13)) | I'm not sure about making tyranid warriors LV. ?They will be wilted by AT fire. ?Unless an excessive amount of AV uncommon brood creatures are used, which is too expensive.
I don't like the concept that I will need ti get 150pts plus of uncommon AV brood creatures to guard my 150pts synpase creatures. ?If I'm going to do that then I might as well ?replace them with a tyrant and another 50pt AV brood creature. |
1 unlucky hit can kill a tyrant and there goes your synapse. It takes at least 3 hits to kill the warriors - and they still have decent AV at 4+.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:28 pm |
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| Quote (Markconz @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:23)) | | Quote (Chroma @ 15 Nov. 2005 (21:15)) | | Yeah, lets try them as LVs... I might suggest a special rule for them under "Xenobiology", something like "Mobility" - All Tyranid light vehicles are treated as infantry for terrain effects. |
Why not just give them walker like IG sentinels?
Or do you mean they should get infantry cover saves as well? |
I mean I hate the idea of a Warrior dying cuz he bumped into a tree in the woods or is unable to enter jungle terrain... *laugh*
WIP 5.6.1 is up!
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:55 pm |
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| Quote (Chroma @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:26)) | | Quote (ragnarok @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:13)) | I'm not sure about making tyranid warriors LV. ?They will be wilted by AT fire. ?Unless an excessive amount of AV uncommon brood creatures are used, which is too expensive.
I don't like the concept that I will need ti get 150pts plus of uncommon AV brood creatures to guard my 150pts synpase creatures. ?If I'm going to do that then I might as well ?replace them with a tyrant and another 50pt AV brood creature. |
I'm leary of it too ragnarok, but if Raveners are LV as well, that gives them some screening.
Try it either way, I'd say! |
I've only got 6 stands of raveners of an average of 2 to 3 warrior broods. that mean 2 to 3 per swarm. Not enough of a shield. compared to the 14 odd units they are normally deployed with.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:57 pm |
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| Quote (ragnarok @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:55)) | | I've only got 6 stands of raveners of an average of 2 to 3 warrior broods. ?that mean 2 to 3 per swarm. ?Not enough of a shield. compared to the 14 odd units they are normally deployed with. |
I'm in the same boat, but I'm gonna see how it floats.
I suppose Warriors being infantry could be explained away by the "no instant kill" rule in 40K. Synapse range in E:A is quite a bit further than in 40K so it's possible for other LV-class creatures to still get killed. And it's volleys of lascannon fire in E:A! *laugh*
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:56 am |
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| Quote (Hena @ 16 Nov. 2005 (05:41)) | | I'm not sure about the the Tyranid Warriors either. I really think we need some infantry synapse. I wouldn't want to fill my brood swarms with raveners or AVs just to protect the Warriors. |
Yes this is a real problem, and something that has prevented the move to LV class for warriors and others for a long time.
In short I am not sure about it either.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:00 am |
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| Quote (Markconz @ 15 Nov. 2005 (22:27)) | | Quote (ragnarok @ 15 Nov. 2005 (21:13)) | I'm not sure about making tyranid warriors LV. ?They will be wilted by AT fire. ?Unless an excessive amount of AV uncommon brood creatures are used, which is too expensive.
I don't like the concept that I will need ti get 150pts plus of uncommon AV brood creatures to guard my 150pts synpase creatures. ?If I'm going to do that then I might as well ?replace them with a tyrant and another 50pt AV brood creature. |
1 unlucky hit can kill a tyrant and there goes your synapse. It takes at least 3 hits to kill the warriors - and they still have decent AV at 4+. |
My normal set up is with at lest 5 or 6 carnies or other bio tank with my tyrant, with them between it and the enemies guns. Thus they need at least 6 hits to hit the tyrant once and 12 to hit it twice. So there only being one isn't much of a problem.
However warriors as LV will only have 2 to 4 AV units in the same formation, so it take less hits to get to them and they have a lesser save and more can be hit in the same attack, since it will go critter, critter, critter, warrior, warrior, warrior.
I dread to think what an armoured company could do to warriors if they were LVs.
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:45 pm |
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Still reviewing the list ...what is the most recent version ? 
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:47 pm |
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| Quote (Legion 4 @ 16 Nov. 2005 (15:45)) | | Still reviewing the list ...what is the most recent version ? |
The most recent WIP version I've been posting is WIP 5.6.1 and can be found here:
http://home.cogeco.ca/~kpetker/
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Post subject: [Lists] Proposed Tyranid Armylist WIP Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:56 pm |
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Thanks, "C" ! I'll check it out ! 
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