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England Expects Every Man will do His Duty
Legion 4	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:39 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	Yep !   And read pt.2; "Return to Inferno" !  The remaining Nazis go back for more Viet Minh ! _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Mojarn Piett	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:19 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland	Hmmm. I'm not entirely sure but I seem to remember reading from at least a couple of sources that the "Devil's Brigade" was a hoax ?la the Sven Hassel books.   _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.
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Mojarn Piett	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:21 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland	Quote (Jaldon @ 23 Oct. 2005 (07:31)) Rue Britannia, and God Save The Queen (And Monty Python re-runs too) You do know that France restructured their road networks during reconstruction after WWII. Yea, they straightened them all out to make it easier on invading armies moving from east or west Jaldon Hmm. Everybody seems to forget that the BEF got their butts handed to them at the same time...     _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.
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Tas	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:06 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 25 Oct. 2005 (03:21)) Hmm. Everybody seems to forget that the BEF got their butts handed to them at the same time... ? ? Thats what happens when your Allies holding your Flanks crumble. Just ask the Germans at Stalingrad about that!   _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:51 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 24 Oct. 2005 (13:21)) Quote (Jaldon @ 23 Oct. 2005 (07:31)) Rue Britannia, and God Save The Queen (And Monty Python re-runs too) You do know that France restructured their road networks during reconstruction after WWII. Yea, they straightened them all out to make it easier on invading armies moving from east or west Jaldon Hmm. Everybody seems to forget that the BEF got their butts handed to them at the same time... ? ? Hi! Very, very true. Primarch _________________ Primarch The Primarchload Magnetized Titans Tutorial Net Epic Gold Heresy Rules
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Mojarn Piett	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:17 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 7:35 am Posts: 5455 Location: Finland	Quote (Tas @ 24 Oct. 2005 (20:06)) Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 25 Oct. 2005 (03:21)) Hmm. Everybody seems to forget that the BEF got their butts handed to them at the same time...     Thats what happens when your Allies holding your Flanks crumble. Just ask the Germans at Stalingrad about that!   And in both cases the relevant high command failed to see the writing in the wall and withdraw. For the Germans, the act of having been allowed themselves to be drawn into the Stalingread in the first place was stupid as they essentially gave away their advantages and started to fight on the enemy terms. And in both cases the blame can conveniently be laid on the shoulders of allies... The battle of France was not as simple and one sided affair as it is usually portrayed. And I know the comments in this thread were made with no malicious intent. But sometimes I just get tired seeing the following myths over and over again: 1) French soldiers can't fight. 2) Italian soldiers run when you sneeze at them. 3) Soviet pilots can't fly. And so on. I also find it kind of funny that Dunkirk is a great victory for the British while Falaise is not so for the Germans...   _________________ I don't know and I let who care. -J.S.
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Tas

Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:33 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW

Good points Mojarn - but the Brits got the majority of their manpower out of Dunkirk (using a vast cobbled together fleet of small civilian vessels) while the reduction of the Falaise pocket captured or killed a much bigger % of the Germans present 2) Italian soldiers run when you sneeze at them. Thats why their tanks have 3 gears for forward motion and 10 gears for Reverse! Sorry, I couldnt resist! _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/

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Legion 4	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:24 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:13 pm Posts: 36989 Location: Ohio - USA	The "Devil's Brigade" is about the 1st North American Special Service Force in WWII ... ?Elford's works are probably (?) historical fiction, but well done ... As we know many ex-Nazis/Germans etc. served with the FFL in French Indo China (and elsewhere) ... I figured anyone reading the books knew that ... but it does not matter as I said it is a good read. ? As for the jokes about certain armies ... it's just a joke and all of us who study history know that ... but it's just a joke ... ?As you may know, BTW ... I'm ethic Italian and my Grand Parents came over "on the boat" ! ? ?And my Roman ancestors were racist, hedonistic, butchers ... but that was a long, long time ago ...  And IIRC ... my father fought at Falaise, as a US Army Inf SGT ...   _________________ Legion 4 "Cry Havoc, and let slip the Dogs of War !" ... "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
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Heresiarch	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:35 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 5:04 am Posts: 571 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada	Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 25 Oct. 2005 (00:17)) 3) Soviet pilots can't fly. Well, there?s a certain amount of truth to that one during WWII. As I recall the way the Soviet air force assigned it's pilots was any one who survived long enough to get classed as an ace had a multitude of rookie pilots assigned to his flight group strictly to provide cover and interference for the ace. Mostly by getting in the way of anyone trying to shoot him down. It's one of the main reason you had the top Soviet pilots with hideously large kill scores followed by a massive gap in kill totals between them and the "lower tier" of Soviet aces. It obviously worked although it must have been more than a little rough on the rookies. Which again pretty much fit right in with the Soviet outlook on troop expendability. And with regards to the French not being able to fight... As much as I genuinely do love to bash the French it's not so much that they can't fight as their political caste won't let them. Rule #1: Never let a politician run a war. _________________ The Cheese! The Cheese!
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Tas	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:20 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2003 10:01 am Posts: 7823 Location: Sydney, NSW	I dunno, though probably much of it is propaganda, the Soviet female bomber pilots "The Night Witches" did a pretty good job too _________________ Tas My General blog: http://tasmancave.blogspot.com/ My VSF Blog: http://pauljamesog.blogspot.com/ My ECW Blog: http://declaresir.blogspot.com/
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primarch	Post subject: England Expects Every Man will do His Duty Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:32 am
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Feb 14, 2003 12:46 am Posts: 27069 Location: Edmond, Oklahoma USA	Hi! 1) French soldiers can't fight. They can fight, they just do it while running away.... 2) Italian soldiers run when you sneeze at them.

Totally false, they ran away just by looking at them funny and adding the word "shoo".....


3) Soviet pilots can't fly.


Of course they cant, no one can..

..you need an airplane to do that....  

Okay, I'll stop now...  

Primarch