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Post subject: Robots and Combat  Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:33 am |
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I have been doing some thinking about the role of Robots and Remote Controlled Vehicles will play on the future battlefield.
I remember a story I read where the one human was in a "pod" and he would bounce between many controlled "semi-intelligent" robotic controlled vehicles. Some were small recon types, others were larger "trooper" types, and he also controlled a large "tank" type.
In the short term I see human controlled robots growing in some roles, but without the semi-independent acting robot, they will have limited use because of communications and control being interfered with.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:24 pm |
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Hi Dafrca,
The biggest impact of robots in the battlefield is that it reduces the political cost of going to war for politicians... no more casualties. Once AI can compete with humans then nearly 100% of the troops will leave the front line... simple politics.
Right now, the technology is still not yet ripe, but it's close.
Israel, for instance, now uses robots to do most bomb disarming...
Most other industrial 1rst world nations are following suite...
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:33 pm |
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| Quote (MaksimSmelchak @ 27 2005 June,06:24) | | Israel, for instance, now uses robots to do most bomb disarming... |
Are they using Robots or Remote Controlled Vehicles?
What people are calling Robots today are often under a human control and thus are not independent. To me the difference is the need for constant human oversight.
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:02 pm |
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In my personal opinion, we should not take the human element out of the loop, ie, no complete AI controlled robots. Or maybe I'm just paranoid.... 
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 3:33 pm |
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Troops will always be in the equation. Robots/AIs/Drones etc. will be added to the inventories of war, like MGs, Tanks, RPGs, etc. My SMs, IG and Squats, have them in their TO&Es ! 
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:15 pm |
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| Quote (iblisdrax @ 27 2005 June,15:02) | In my personal opinion, we should not take the human element out of the loop, ie, no complete AI controlled robots. ?Or maybe I'm just paranoid....
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Been watching The Terminator and The Matrix too much?
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:20 pm |
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This reminds me of a fantastic story by Attanasio. Set in the future, it has robotic construction equipment and other machinery controlled by the brains of all those people who were cryogenically frozen on death. The law ruled that since a dead person cannot, by definition, have posessions or own anything, they dont even have the right to their own wetware (brains) and so they were sold off into slavery!
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:27 pm |
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I think it will be a while before we have true robots on or over the battlefield, but I think the human controlled ones are right around the corner. UCAV's have certainly proven their worth and I'm sure we will soon see them being outfitted with ordinance. In terms of replacing groundpounders, I'm willing to bet money that there are some prototypes being tested, which are probably wheeled or tracked for stability. As noted in another thread, bipedal robots raise a host of balance issues.
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 8:57 pm |
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Somewhere at home I have a picture (painting) of a human walking on a patrol of some sort with two combat robot looking things flanking him. I always liked the picture because it was like they were, the three, a team.
In any case, it is fun to think about.
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:03 pm |
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| Quote (dafrca @ 27 2005 June,02:33) | I have been doing some thinking about the role of Robots and Remote Controlled Vehicles will play on the future battlefield.
I remember a story I read where the one human was in a "pod" and he would bounce between many controlled "semi-intelligent" robotic controlled vehicles. Some were small recon types, others were larger "trooper" types, and he also controlled a large "tank" type.
In the short term I see human controlled robots growing in some roles, but without the semi-independent acting robot, they will have limited use because of communications and control being interfered with.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
dafrca |
Hi!
The dark side to this is what happens if we make such good combat robots that do all the fighting for us and those robots achieve sentience? Independent thought and action?
Terminator makes a good story, but imagine if it happened for real. I would not rate our chances of survival very high.....
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:52 am |
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| Quote (primarch @ 27 2005 June,15:03) | | Quote (dafrca @ 27 2005 June,02:33) | I have been doing some thinking about the role of Robots and Remote Controlled Vehicles will play on the future battlefield.
I remember a story I read where the one human was in a "pod" and he would bounce between many controlled "semi-intelligent" robotic controlled vehicles. Some were small recon types, others were larger "trooper" types, and he also controlled a large "tank" type.
In the short term I see human controlled robots growing in some roles, but without the semi-independent acting robot, they will have limited use because of communications and control being interfered with.
Anyway, what do you guys think?
dafrca |
Hi!
The dark side to this is what happens if we make such good combat robots that do all the fighting for us and those robots achieve sentience? Independent thought and action?
Terminator makes a good story, but imagine if it happened for real. I would not rate our chances of survival very high.....
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What was the one Anime by Masamune Shirow called, Black Magic M-66 I think. Military creates powerful killer robots. Programed to assasinate. Then they get activated by mistake, the inventors kid is the "test" target.
Good Story and graphics.
Love the "Landing Ships".
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:28 am |
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The social fears of unleashing and unrestrained AI in charge of a thousands of tons of death dealing weapons, are dealt with in the fiction series "BOLO" by having a Human Commander inside of every Bolo Combat Unit, directing and guiding the AI where necessary (in a Commissar kind of way).
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:48 am |
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| Quote (Tas @ 27 2005 June,17:28) | | The social fears of unleashing and unrestrained AI in charge of a thousands of tons of death dealing weapons, are dealt with in the fiction series "BOLO" by having a Human Commander inside of every Bolo Combat Unit, directing and guiding the AI where necessary (in a Commissar kind of way). |
That is one series I need to get and read. I have not. It is a big hole in my SciFi Military reading. 
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Post subject: Robots and Combat Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:54 am |
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I love it - its OGREs in Space with a Human inside as well! 
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