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3000 point Chaos Black Legion

 Post subject: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:48 pm 
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For a tournament held here in Denmark in start of October i need an army.

Been toying with this list, so still need 70 points. Any suggestion and role for the units is much appreciated.


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Black Legion (NetEA v3.1 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)
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BLACK LEGION RETINUE [425]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander), 4 Rhino, Obliterator

BLACK LEGION RETINUE [400]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, Obliterator, 4 Rhino

BLACK LEGION RETINUE [315]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Rhino

HELLBLADE FLIGHT [225]
3 Fighters, (Chaos Undivided)

CHAOS TERMINATORS [540]
(Chaos Undivided), 6 Chaos Terminator, Obliterator, Daemon Prince

DECIMATORS [525]
(Chaos Undivided), 2 Decimator, Defiler

ARMOURED COMPANY [200]
(Chaos Undivided), 4 Chaos Predator

BIKE COMPANY [300]
8 Chaos Space Marines Bikes, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:52 pm 
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I've been doodling around with Chaos for a few months now, and while I'm no expert, I'll give you my thoughts:

That armored company is too small. With only four tanks, just getting shot at once and taking one casualty will put you in serious danger of being broken. All it would take is getting shot at one more time to break. I'd suggest making your armored company BIG, 6-8 tanks! You want your enemy to fear them, not just see those tanks as a minor irritant.

I have not played with Decimators yet so I can't really speak about them, all I would say is position them in the middle of the board at the start of the game so you can easily head wherever they are needed. Remember, Decimators are SLOW so you can't put them in a position where they have to maneuver too much to get where you need them to be.

Personally, I'm a big fan of raptors with a sorcerer leading them. Terminators are certainly nice, and that daemon prince leading them makes them that much more deadly, but they aren't fast and Chaos doesn't have the best strategy rating.....and if you lose initiative on the turn they teleport in, your enemy will just move away from them at the start of the turn. With raptors, you can move fast and quickly get them to where they need to be. And by having a sorcerer leading them, you don't need to get base-to-base to get the MW attack.

In an ideal world you could save the activations of these three units until the end of turn 1, then double up with the Decimators, armored company, and raptors, to get each in a position where each threatens to sustain fire/engage on turn 2....that way your opponent can't get out of the way fast enough to avoid everything. If you do want to keep the terminators, substitute them for the raptors in the above scenario so again, somebody is going to get hammered.

I would drop the third retinue. Doesn't do a lot for you, and you can use the points elsewhere.

IMHO, obliterators are overpriced for what you get. You've got your fighters for AA, I don't think you need to sink the points into multiple obliterators.

Raptors also are comparable in price to bikes and move just about as fast, but they can move into buildings and take cover, which adds to their survivability.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:48 pm 
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Thx for all you suggestion i will definitly think about your points.

The armoured company will be buffed up to 8.

Have been thinking about removing a Retinue, but afraid of if i have enough staying power to hold objectives.


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:40 pm 
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Don't take Oblitorators with Rhinos (in the same formation), they cannot be transported so the rhinos speed is wasted.
I'd go with one or the other as an upgrade.


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 7:29 pm 
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Oki now all the Obliterators are ditched, also only 2 Retinues (so only 2 elites aswell).
Also now i have 9 activations instead of 8.
Would like to have 3 Decimators, but simply cant find the points, as i want the terminator with the Daemon Prince and a also the Armoured Company.

I dont need a Space Cruiser to get the Terminators teleporting in, right?


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Black Legion (NetEA v3.1 *UNDER DEVELOPMENT*)
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BLACK LEGION RETINUE [340]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), 4 Rhino, Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander)

BLACK LEGION RETINUE [315]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Rhino

CHAOS TERMINATORS [455]
(Chaos Undivided), 6 Chaos Terminator, Daemon Prince

HELLBLADE FLIGHT [225]
3 Fighters, (Chaos Undivided)

DECIMATORS [450]
(Chaos Undivided), 2 Decimator

ARMOURED COMPANY [425]
(Chaos Undivided), 4 Chaos Predator, 3 Chaos Land Raider

RAPTOR CULT [210]
(Chaos Undivided), Sorcerer Lord, 5 Raptor

DEFILER ASSAULT PACK [275]
4 Defilers, (Chaos Undivided)

BIKE COMPANY [300]
8 Chaos Space Marines Bikes, (Chaos Undivided), Sorcerer Lord


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 1:55 am 
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No, you don't need a cruiser to teleport in terminators. The cruiser is only necessary if you are going to use chaos drop pods.

Three Decimators would be nearly 700 points.....little bit expensive for 3000-pt game. Two should be fine. I am working on some Decimators of my own and liked your original list with the defiler upgrade, was thinking of trying that. I think I'd only take three when playing a really big game.

When I started playing chaos, I really liked the idea of taking defilers, but I have found them to be too fragile. BUT, I wouldn't write them off until you get to play a game or two with them. Maybe you can get them to work.

I would say that a raptor unit of 5 is too small, I would make it bigger.

You might seriously want to consider taking some Chaos Chosen. The ability to ZoC the enemy and/or screen your own forces can be a big deal.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 10:02 pm 
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New list i have in mind.
2nd retinue doenst have rhinos...


13th Black Crusade Black Legion / 13th Black Crusade Black Legion3000

    Black Legion Retinue                                 340
        Undivided                                           
        Warlord                                             
        Chaos Space Marine Lord                             
        8xChaos Space Marines                               
        4xChaos Rhino                                       

    Black Legion Retinue                                 275
        Undivided                                           
        Chaos Space Marine Lord                             
        8xChaos Space Marines                               

    Black Legion Terminators                             455
        Undivided                                           
        Daemon Prince                                       
        5xChaos Space Marine Terminators                    

    Black Legion Decimators                              525
        Undivided                                           
        2xDecimator                                         
        Defiler                                             

    Black Legion Armoured Company                        350
        Undivided                                           
        7xChaos Predator                                    

    Black Legion Bike Company                            300
        Undivided                                           
        Sorceror Lord                                       
        8xChaos Space Marine Bikes                          

    Defiler Assault Pack                                 275
        Undivided                                           
        4xDefiler                                           

    Raptor Cult                                          280
        Undivided                                           
        Sorceror Lord                                       
        7xRaptors                                           

    Hellblades                                           200
        3xHellblade                                         


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 point Chaos Black Legion
PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:18 am 
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There is really nothing wrong with that list. I would play a few games with it, figure out what works for you and what doesn't, and then go from there.

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