Howdy all.

well my Eldar got here and since it had such a MASIVE amount of jet bikes and falcons in the box i figured id try my hand at a Saim-Hann list n see how it runs.

Im using the list from this NETEA compendium on the forums

Id like some input on the list as its my first ever jump into the game and not fully sure if im going over the top and potentially cheezy with my choices, or even if im just making a very soft list.


Individuals -
Wraithgate

Avatar

Craftworld hosts -

Wild Rider clan Warhost I
1 wild rider unit
6 Vypers with a Wild Rider Chieftan upgrade (Mounted Autarch character)
3 Shining Spears
3 Jetbikes with a Farseer character upgrade

Wild Rider Clan Warhost II
1 Wild Rider unit
12 Vypers with a Farseer upgrade
3 Shing Spears

Craftworld Troupes -

Swords of Vaul Troupe I
4 Falcons + 2 Fire storms

Swords of Vaul Troupe II
4 Fire Prisms +1 Fire storm

Engine of Vaul Troupe
1x Cobra

Aspect Warrior Troupe
6 Fire Dragons +1x Exarch upgrade
2 Wave serpents
4 Falcons

Aircraft/titans/Spacecraft

Nightwing Interceptor Squadron
3x Nightwings

comes to 2995 points total if ive done my sums right.

So if anyone is able to comment please do so. Too much? Too little? Too noobish?

Thanks in advance

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Welcome to the forums, Turbo_MMX!

Well, with a once over, I'd say you're pretty low on the number of activations for a 3000 point army; the usual target is 2-4 formations per 1000 points... not including "freebies" like the Avatar! I haven't seen "massed" Jetbikes/Vypers like this in play, they'd certainly be fast and hard-hitting, but with only 7 activations you'll have to be sure to destroy enemy formations quickly. It might be doable, but I think it'll be pretty tough, especially with Saim-Hann's reduced Strategy Rating.

I'd drop a lot of the massed upgrades for the Wild Rider Warhosts... and buy more Warhosts! Or some Aspect Warriors...

I'm sure you'll get a lot more advice... but give that set up a spin and post a battle report!

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Well the first game was a over fairly fast. But it turned out id screwed up anyway. My list was heavy 2 Falcons in the Aspect warrior troupe.

So Id spent 130 points on something I could not legaly have!

So Ive re-jigged the list and shall be doing another proper trial later down the track. But if you want a brief battle report... here is how the first list went..

WOOO I go first... ZOOOOOM zap zap "yeah this is fun" HOLY $^@$% WHIRLWINDS! RUN AWAY!!!! RUN AWAY!!!! Where is the Avatar!! Ohhhh woops... forgot about him!

Individuals -

Avatar

Craftworld hosts -

Wild Rider clan Warhost I
1 wild rider unit with a Wild Rider Chieftan upgrade (Mounted Autarch character)
9 Vypers with a Farseer character upgrade

Wild Rider Clan Warhost II
1 Wild Rider unit
12 Vypers with a Farseer upgrade

Shining Spears Aspect Warriors
8 Shing Spears with Exarch

Craftworld Troupes -

Swords of Vaul Troupe I
1 Falcon + 2 Fire Prisms + 2 Fire storms

Swords of Vaul Troupe II
2 Falcon + 2 Fire Prisms + 1 Fire storm

Night Spinner Troupe I
3x Night Spinners

Night Spinner Troupe I
3x Night Spinners

Aspect Warrior Troupe
6 Fire Dragons +1x Exarch upgrade
2 Wave serpents
2 Falcons

Aircraft/titans/Spacecraft

Nightwing Interceptor Squadron
3x Nightwings

comes to 2990 points total if ive done my sums right.

Alrighty! So this is the resorted list from my game the other night.

Id like to get an extra Fire Storm in the 2nd unit but i dont have the model at the moment. Im trying to keep this list 100% genuine old school models for the tanks. So untill i get another one im stuck with odd units

Think ive got the list a little more sorted after i know how the game works slightly better than I did last time. Still not 100% on how it all goes but think ive got a better understanding than the last list

Thoughts?

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That's a lot of Vypers! I don't own that many so haven't tried to run a similar list in my Saim Hann. I do, however, really like the vanilla jetbikes in my Wild Riders host. Their armor and FF value make them a nice front end of the formation in an assault, though it does limit their long ranged firepower.

That's my one thought.

I played Britcon last year with a similar list, with some reasonable results. The following 4000 point list can be adjusted down slightly, but the principle is to maximise on bikes etc while retaining the minimum cover against the 'normal' lists:-

400 Shining Spears + Autarch + Exarch
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)

350 Guardians + Wave Serpents
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)

350 Guardians + Wave Serpents
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)

350 Guardians + Wave Serpents
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)
200 Jet Bikes (1x Vyper)

300 Night Wings
250 Void Spinner
200 War Walkers
100 Rangers (4)
100 Rangers (4)

Moving the 4x hosts and supports, worked quite well, the single Vypers were able to lay BMs to prep assaults, and by keeping the guardians 'buttoned up', I was able to use the commander of each group to mount some impressive assaults (or threaten them).

The only real problems with the list was its size and number of activations, which took a little too long to manoeuver. But at 3000 points . . . .