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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 12:00 am 
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The_Real_Chris wrote:
Ah, was under the impression you couldn't upgrade upgrades!

Wait, where does anything say that you can't other than a few list-specific stipulations?

Chaplain Dreadnoughts are cool!

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 4:48 am 
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thefloppy1 wrote:
Yep I have now read the list....

Moral of this story you can't trust anybody these days...

Think it was played a little wrong.. The Initate 2+ and SR4 make a hudge difference..
dont think I will ever trust anybody agian..

For now my concerns are taken care of.



I bought daemonic pact on my termies flop, also bought chaos champion with them who augments summoning (so additional 75 points on the unit so they can roll +2 D3's to give them that chance to summon the bloodthirster who additionally costs 75 points)

I have effective strategy rating 1 (2 with -1 modifier to roll) across the board because all units are either black legion or khorne in the army.
On just rereading the chaos doc, i admit i did miss that aircraft do not benefit from the factions rule, however i mentally skipped over this because at the top of the army list on page 5, it is written 'The "Factions" rule applies to all Black Legion Chaos Army
formations.' but within wording of the factions rule it is written 'This modifier only ever applies to units that are on
the battlefield; aircraft, spacecraft and any other formations that are not in play never receive the modifier'


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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:08 am 
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Just a quick one fattdex, I think you meant -1 initiative rather than -1 SR :)

I guess Heavy Bolter 2010 is going to be a real Black Legion fun fest...

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:03 am 
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yes that!
(also earlier, meant formations which contain an inspiring character, not units of inspiring models etc.)
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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:14 pm 
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Had two games go tonight with Black Legion facing Imperial Guard and the other Black Legion force facing Eldar (I will find out which one).

The Eldar destroyed the Black Legion I believe. Fattdex, can you please post your list? I will get Blish's list asap

The other game saw the Black Legion take out the Imperial Guard in a real close slugfest. I will get details when I post up the lists taken.

Interesting to note that in all the games played so far, the Faction rule has been non-existant (from what I have seen). No-one in our groups seem to take 2 daemonic forces, yet rather one Black Legion and one cult. It really begs the question, should the Faction rule even exist? Other than old fluff, is it really doing anything for the list and what 'game breaking combo' is it preventing?

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:32 pm 
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Frogbear: That's been brought up a thousand times. The faction rule really has no effect at all, but is kept because a progression of ACs like it.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 1:14 pm 
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Heavy Bolter 2010 is tomorrow. This list will get three games played so I will update shortly after that.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:20 am 
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Ok. I have finally attained some quiet time to write this up.

Heavy Bolter 2010 saw three Black Legion lists participate and all pretty different from each other.

Side Note: I will note that the other 2 Black Legion players were probably the nicest and most down to Earth guys I have met at a tournament. It was definitely a pleasure to have gamed and/or hung out as we did. No doubt I will be seeking you two out in the new year for games - you both know who you are ;)

The lists:

List One
Black Legion Retinue
Black Legion Retinue + Dreadclaws
Black Legion Retinue + Dreadclaws
Terminator Retinue + Daemon Prince + Obliterator (BTS)
Terminator Retinue + Daemon Prince + Warlord
Raptor Cult
Decimator
Death Wheel
Death Wheel
Hellblade Fighters
Devastation Class Cruiser


List two
Black Legion Retinue + Rhinos + Warlord + D.Pact + Berzerkers
Black Legion Retinue + D.Pact + Obliterator
Terminators + Terminator + Daemon Prince
Bikes + Daemonic Pact
Defilers
Defilers
Predators x6
Hellblades
Chosen + D.Pact
7x Lesser daemons


List three
Black Legion Retinue + D.Pact
Black Legion Retinue + D.Pact + Cult Maruines + Rhinos
Land Raiders x4 + Warlord
Decimator
Decimator
Terminators + D.Pact
Hellblades
Banelord
4x Lesser Daemons

Placings were as follows (out of 10):
List 1: 4th
List 2: 9th
List 3: 10th

More to come....

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:40 am 
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List 1 was a straight tournament list and was actually playing for first place at the end of the day. A loss on that table (vs Eldar) saw it drop to fourth place.

The list itself had all the answers I could have asked for and mostly ran itself in light of some of my tragic strategy ploys. With a bit of luck and measuring, the Hellblades survived unscathed throughout all games, and the Terminators cut swathes through the enemy. It was not uncommon to see the Terminators responsible for outright destroying two-three formations in one go through combined assaults. The Daemon Prince in with the Terminators - do not leave the Warp without them, they are simply brilliant!

The Death Wheels as always were handy and their move really adds a competitive nature to the list. If they were not the subject of bad luck in the last game of the day (both critical'd on the first wound), then the list may have made a better showing overall - them's the breaks however :)

Decimator was hunted down by most opponents, and for that reason alone, was a welcome addition to the army. I just wish it had a shield or two (I am not being serious)

Retinue and Raptors: Other than the drop assaults, these units were more or less used to either grab backyard objectives, or harass enemy crossing the centre line. I was happy with them.

Overall, a very strong list for tournaments yet not one I enjoy playing at home.


List 2 ran around with the Defilers making 'pincer' moves to crush any enemy unlucky enough to be caught between them. I do not believe the final result is totally representative of this list as I got lucky in the first game to take out the HUGE BTS and piece-meal break the force from there. In hindsight, with a few different decisions, this list could have easily been playing on the top two tables from the 2nd game onwards. The list looks a lot more fun that List 1, and I really would like to have a re-match if he is willing in the near future.


List 3 had some really well painted troops and a Banelord to really scare the opponent. While not winning any games on the day, the player had fun with the list. I never did get to play against it or see it played (I was busy with my own games at the time or they finished before me), but it would be good to play against it to see how it goes *nudge*


Other thoughts
- I am a broken record here ... the Faction Rule once again played no part in the Black Legion lists presented. I would recommend removing this defunct rule from the Black Legion list or making it more stringent with what Daemons cannot be taken with others.

- The air craft were all under the old points. It wil be my goal to now test the air craft under the new stats (where appropriate) and costs for future games.

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 Post subject: Re: 3000 Point Black Legion List
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:10 pm 
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There was a game at my place tonight with the following lists:

Black Legion
Ravager
BL Retinue + Warlord + D.Pact + Obliterator
BL Retinue + Culot Marines (Tz) + Dreadclaws
Devastation Class Cruiser
Decimator
Decimator
4x Land Raiders
4x Predators + 2xVindicators
Raptors x5 + D.Pact
D.Pool x3 lesser daemons


Orks
Gargant
6x Stompas + Supa Stompa
6x Stompas
Fighta Bomberz x3
Fighta Bomberz x3
Big Blitz Brigade + Mek + 2xFlak
Big Blitz Brigade + Mek
Big Kult Speed


Black Legion Won after turn 3 on points (2050 vs 1115)

- The Strategy Roll rule saw the Black Legion player gain 3 Daemons over 2 turns
- The Faction rule played no part for the Black Legion

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