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 Post subject: Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld vs EpicUK Skitarii
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:09 am 
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Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld (Development)
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LAUGHING GOD [0]

WRAITHGATE [0]

AVATAR [0]

TROUPE [450]
6 Players, 3 2 Harlequin Venoms, Great Harlequin

TROUPE [375]
6 Players, 3 2 Harlequin Venoms, Shadowseer

MIMIC [375]
6 Mimes, Master Mime, 3 2 Harlequin Venoms

PROMENADE [200]
5 Harlequin Jet Bikes

PROMENADE [200]
5 Harlequin Jet Bikes

GUARDIAN WARHOST [150]
Farseer, 7 Guardians

ENGINES OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
Storm Serpent

ENGINES OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
Storm Serpent

ENGINES OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
Storm Serpent

PHOENIX BOMBERS [325]
3 Phoenix Bombers

WRAITHSHIP [150]



EpicUK Skitarii (210115)
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SKITARII [525]
1 Secutor units, 9 Hypaspist units, Magos, 5 Chimera, Minoris (3x Twin-Hydra Autocannons)

SKITARII [300]
1 Secutor units, 9 Hypaspist units, Gorgon

PRAETORIAN [225]
5 Praetorian units

SENTRY [150]
4 Robots, 3 Rapiers

SENTRY [150]
4 Robots, 3 Rapiers

ORDINATUS MINORIS [325]
Minoris (3x Twin-Hydra Autocannons), Minoris (Plasma Destructor)

ORDINATUS MINORIS [325]
Minoris (3x Twin-Hydra Autocannons), Minoris (Plasma Destructor)

WARHOUND TITAN PACK [500]

SIX PALADIN KNIGHTS [500]


Deployment
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Laughing god entertains the Knights, Minorus formations and preatorians
Turn 1
Skitarii win the roll off and go first
Skitarii - fail to activate the minorus Plasma even with SC reroll
Harlequins - fail to activate the Bombers and stand down
Skitarii - Minorus with Plasma distuctor opens up on a storm serpent for 2DC breaking it
Harlequins - Single a storm serpant and shoot garrisoned robots killing 1
Skitarii - Single Paladins shooting the storm serpent for DC and a crit
Harlequins - Guardians double out of the Blitz webway
Skitarii - BTS marches
Harlequins - Double Storm serpent shooting pratorians
Skitarii - overwatch pratorians
Harlequins - Engage pratorians with jetbikes losing kill 1 pratorian
Skitarii - overwatch back robots
Harlequins - Engage patorians with the Shadowseer killing 2
Skitarii - Warhounds double and hackdown broken storm serpent
Harlequins - Engage the patorians again with the freat harlequin finally wiping them out
Skitarii - Gorgan doubles and unloads
Harlequins - Jetbikes engage minorus failing hard and wiping them selves out
Harlequins - Mimes double and shoot minorus for a blast


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Harlequins win the roll off
Harlequins - Double Storm serpent and shoot knights for a DC
Harlequins - Retain and engage minorus with great harlequin formation leaving it on a 1 DC each
Harlequins - Harlequins retain and engage knights with mimes wiping them out losing 2 mimes
Skitarii - Warhounds double onto the gate and block it shooting the guardians killing the farseer and breaking them
Harlequins - Bring on the bombers and take down the gorgan
Skitarii - Robots sustain fire on the guardians for a hack down
Harlequins - Engage the former gorgan formation wiping it out for no kills in return
Skitarii - Double minours formation and shoot shadowseer harlquins killing a venom
Skitarii - Double BTS towards the centre
Skitarii - Overwatch robots near blitz

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Harliquins win the roll off
Harlequins - Engage Minorus for for a DC winning
Harlequins - Fail to activate BTS for engage with the reroll so double and take a blast
Skitarii - Doubled the minorus and gave a blast to the storm serpent
Harlequins - Bombers hammered the robots on the blitz breaking them
Skitarii - Fail to activated the BTS for a double to protect the Blitz (Laughing god for the win)
Harlequins - Fail to march storm serpent onto the blitz
Skitarii single warhounds grab TnH and Blitz

Skitarii win 2-0 Blitz and TnH
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 Post subject: Re: Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld vs EpicUK Skitarii
PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:59 pm 
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The Laughing God certainly had an impact on this game by giving my formations -1 to activate. When you have 2+ to begin with that can mean 4+ to activate with blast markers... Still, I think it was fairly OK as the Harlequins has to work to keep him in play.

Not a huge fan of this version of the Veil of Tears ability, but I guess it does its job. Would be nice to be able to "switch it off" sometimes tho as it's not always helpful. While it's certainly sporting of the Harlequins to not attack their paralyzed opponents, it's kind of odd as well. Also still think it ought to be called something else than Veil of Tears, as I think there are other Shadowseer powers that would better represent it. Fog of Dreams perhaps? http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Shadowseer

Being able to "go back" into the Webway proved to be something of a double-edged sword, which I like.

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 Post subject: Re: Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld vs EpicUK Skitarii
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 2:05 am 
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Hi guys, and thanks for taking the Harlequins for a spin.

It seems that I must make the list definitions clearer; the intention is either
  • For the Harlequins to lead the army as a “Grand Masque”, with Cegorach and optionally a Grand Harlequin as the SC;
  • OR for the other Eldar list to lead the army with the Avatar and optionally the Autarch (or equivalent SC), using a few Harlequin formations as ‘allies’.
The confusion here is that there are not enough Harlequin formations to be a Grand Masque, so Cegorach and the Great Harlequin should not be used, and consequently the Webgate is not free.

The list does show the dilemma faced by the Eldar over the choice of formations to use when including Harlie formations. Storm Serpents do deliver big assaults, providing they are not destroyed too quickly. But they are hard to protect given the lack of other support.

Personally I think 2-3 Harlequin formations is the ideal number at 3K, allowing a greater number of other formations. I would also drop the Venoms from the Mimes (allowing them to teleport), drop the Wraithship and the Support weapon platforms from the Guardians, giving another Guardian and Ranger formation, or with a little more shuffling some Night Spinners etc.

The report was great, but raised some questions over the details of particular actions
  • The Wraithship was not apparently used at all. Was this an oversight?

  • In the first round, Jetbikes are mentioned which are not in the list;
    • Was this actually the Harlequin troupe with a troupe leader?
    • When they lost the assault, did they withdraw back into the Webway or move elsewhere on the battlefield?
    • Apparently they engaged a second time in the first turn(???) wiping themselves out. Is there a mis-identification here somewhere?

  • The Shadowseer troupe apparently lost the engagement with the Praetorians.
    • Where did they withdraw to?
    • What did they do in turn 2, did they engage the former Gorgan (Skitarii)
    • What did they do in turn three?
    • More importantly, how did you find the Shadowseer? Did you try to use him in support?

  • Although technically illegal, you did use Cegorach
    • Did you reposition it each turn?
    • What effect did it have on the game in each turn, on both sides?
    • The Avatar is listed but not apparently used. Was that intentional or an oversight?


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 Post subject: Re: Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld vs EpicUK Skitarii
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:19 am 
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Hey Ginger,

Thanks heaps for reading and yeah definitely an my bad on my part not reading the army list close enough. I see now you need more harlequins the Allies to be a harlequin list.

I re posted the list which was also my bad, we had a chat before the game and we decided i should swap a troop for some harlequin jet bikes just forgot to update my log sheet.

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The report was great, but raised some questions over the details of particular actions
The Wraithship was not apparently used at all. Was this an oversight?

It hit nothing i must have missed writing it down. Was trying to scare my opponent into getting out of the deployment to risk the double pie plate placing blasts on a 2+ army.

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In the first round, Jetbikes are mentioned which are not in the list;
Was this actually the Harlequin troupe with a troupe leader?
When they lost the assault, did they withdraw back into the Webway or move elsewhere on the battlefield?

My bad on writing the report. They won the assault. I just had to assault them again to get rid of the fearless screen. The first attempt i got splatted and lost all my jet bikes.
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Apparently they engaged a second time in the first turn(???) wiping themselves out. Is there a mis-identification here somewhere?

yeah back to my bad on not putting in the right list.

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The Shadowseer troupe apparently lost the engagement with the Praetorians.
Where did they withdraw to?

they won the assault
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What did they do in turn 2, did they engage the former Gorgan (Skitarii)

yeah
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What did they do in turn three?

engaged the minours. (These minorus were invincible so many saves, cost me the game really)
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More importantly, how did you find the Shadowseer? Did you try to use him in support?

not really they are pretty crap at support.

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Although technically illegal, you did use Cegorach
Did you reposition it each turn?

yeah just tried to get him hugging as much stuff as possible to activate on a 3+
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What effect did it have on the game in each turn, on both sides?

He forced a couple of failed activations. 1 at the start of the game with a minorus plasma which helped alot.
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The Avatar is listed but not apparently used. Was that intentional or an oversight?

Farseer died. war hounds unloaded on them even in cover killed half the formation and the farseer being 1 of them.

Ill do my best to get another game in with a legal list :D

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 Post subject: Re: Harlequins with Biel-Tan Craftworld vs EpicUK Skitarii
PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:04 am 
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Ahh. That makes more sense. Thanks.
But I think the list is now 1975. So if you drop the Wraithship and shuffle the points a bit, you could take another Promenade of Jetbikes, which would make the Army a Grand Masque with Biel Tan allies (so no Avatar) and legal. . . :D

Alternatively (since I know you have used them in the past) you could try Dark Eldar with Harlies. . .

One final thought; you did realise that the Shadowseer has farsight, so can call the Avatar when the Harlequins are used as an ally to another Eldar race . . . ;)


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The Avatar isn't tied to Farsight tho, but to the Farseer unit.

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I was going to do up a army builder file but i wasnt sure which Dark Eldar list i should be attaching it too. I could run it with the UK Dark Eldar i guess?

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Wouldn't the Dark Eldar redux army be better? Then we could get some playtest of that too.

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DE Redux??
What is that?

As to which DE to use, that is your choice. Indeed the original intention of the Harlequin list was that any Eldar list could be used.


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The "new" Dark Eldar list. http://www.taccmd.tacticalwargames.net/ ... 86&t=32142

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Considering Jim hasn't even logged in since March that's pretty clear it's not being worked on.

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Ahh, that list.
Well, since this is a ‘friendly’ and both lists are still ‘developmental’ I see no particular problem.
And Norto may well have other contacts with Jim outside TacComs.
And the results may well inform decisions about that list.


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We need an eldar AC first. But I can swing him a message offline.

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