Login |  Register |  FAQ
   
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg

 Post subject: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 9:37 am 
Hybrid
Hybrid
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:03 pm
Posts: 6332
Location: Leicester UK
Had another game against dptdexys last night, I took the following:

Retinue - warlord, pact, obliterator - 425
Retinue - pact, rhinos - 340
Terminators - pact - 325 (testing them at 300)
Chosen - pact, pods - 285
berzerkers - pact - 300 (testing at 8 stands)
Brass scorpions - 250
thunderhawk - 200
thunderhawk - 200
strike cruiser - 200
Hellblades - 200
Hell Talons - 225
+5 lesser daemons - 50 (testing at CC4+/10 points each)

dptdexys took the following:

HQ - gorgons
infantry company - gorgons
infantry company - gorgons
death rider company
shadowsword
shadowsword
AA guns
AA guns
field guns
thunderbolts
thunderbolts

I transported the terminators and berzerkers in thunderhawks, and put the chosen in pods, Dave massed more over on my left side, I plotted the barrage and pods 12cm in from his blitz (actually forgot it was a strike cruiser and thought I had a pinpoint until we both remembered!)

Turn 1
RC win initiative, spaceship activates and templates hit field guns and infantry company, killing ~6 stands, drop pod scatters and ends up on the backline, chosen summon 2 daemons and engage and destroy the AA, chosen are then engaged by damaged infantry company and reduced to a single broken stand, hellblades refuse to ground attack and stand down, there is some tit-for-tat shooting, including a hell talon being CAP-ed and shot down attempting to hit the right most infantry company who are out of the gorgons, no shots fired due to jink. As the last RC activation, the berzerkers ground attack the infantry company, they score the full 9 hits, killing 5 infantry and doing a point of damage on the gorgon, they take 5 hits in return and fail four saves >:( they lose the combat by 1 and break, the thunderhawk exploding in the process.... the terminators had planned to land and shoot the rough riders claiming a crossfire from the berzerkers, but they are now forced to engage, the thunderhawk takes a point of damage from CAPing thunderbolts, but the terminators kill 4 death riders and lose 1 in return, winning the combat, no chaos units rally, all the krieg stuff does.... :{[]

turn 2
RC win strategy roll, mounted RC retinue engages and breaks one shadowsword, scorpions retain and break the other, reducing it to 1DC, Krieg infantry company engages mounted retinue, breaking them, hellblades fail to activate again, wasting the re-roll in the process.... grrrr.... krieg continue to strip activations from RC, tbolts kill a terminator stand, breaking the formation, no RC formations rally....

Turn 3
RC win strategy roll, scorpions sustain on death riders, wiping them out, krieg fail to engage them wasting the re-roll, hellblades kill a shadowsword with a crit, shadowsword blasts a scorpion to bits, foot retinue doubles back to blitz to hide from nearby infantry company, other gorgon company engages and destroys terminators, thanks to lone berzerker rallying, krieg are denied the victory on turn 3

Turn 4
Krieg win rolloff, berzerker is engaged and saves the 4 hits caused on him, he still loses and breaks, thunderhawk lands to contest T&H objective, but is plinked and broken, then destroyed by thunderbolts, krieg march onto RC blitz and win 4-0 (Blitz, T&H, DTF, TSNP)

Thoughts:

I struggled to make a dent in the huge infantry companies here, the bad luck with the berzerkers failing so many saves turned a solid position into a winning one for dave, my lack of ground units able to march up and engage really hurt in this game, as well as solid flak cover, the problem with the list for codex-marine style play is that it lacks really cheap yet useful formations like scouts or thunderbolts which allow you to pump your activation count up, 2 thunderhawks full of troops mean you can't hope to out-activate your opponents and end up throwing the thunderhawks in early and exposing them, I'll try something different next week

on the changes, all seemed fine, daemons are still useful but felt good at 10 points for a single CC4+ attack, berzerkers felt right at 8 stands, there are some applications that they excel at (shredding infantry for example) and the increased unit size is nice, they are also great out of a thunderhawk, they didn't feel overpowered, but they felt competetive which was nice, terminators again didn't get a chance to get stuck in properly

unfortunately I didn't get any pics of the game, I'll do better next time!

_________________
NetEA Space Marine, Imperial Fists and Blood Angels Army Champion

NetEA Red Corsairs Army Champion

My hobby/painting threads

Army Forge List Co-ordinator


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:45 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm
Posts: 5477
Location: London, UK
On a small technical note, I thought you had to summon daemons before activating the formation (see 6.11.3 of the tournament pack). If so, this should occur before the THawk activates to carry out an air assault, assuming there is sufficient space to transport the daemons . . .

(and presumably impacts other motorised formations in a similar way. . . . ;) )


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:54 pm 
Hybrid
Hybrid

Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2005 8:35 am
Posts: 4305
Ginger wrote:
On a small technical note, I thought you had to summon daemons before activating the formation (see 6.11.3 of the tournament pack). If so, this should occur before the THawk activates to carry out an air assault, assuming there is sufficient space to transport the daemons . . .

(and presumably impacts other motorised formations in a similar way. . . . ;) )

Where did he do this ? Thunderhawks both ground attacked with no daemons, chosen in pods land with spacecraft activation but then have to retain to activate

_________________
www.epic-uk.co.uk
NetEA NetERC Human Lists Chair
NetEA Chaos + Black Legion Champion


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:56 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:39 pm
Posts: 1963
Location: South Yorkshire
Ginger wrote:
On a small technical note, I thought you had to summon daemons before activating the formation (see 6.11.3 of the tournament pack). If so, this should occur before the THawk activates to carry out an air assault, assuming there is sufficient space to transport the daemons . . .

(and presumably impacts other motorised formations in a similar way. . . . ;) )


None of the air assaults used daemons, the Chosen (scouts) who summoned on turn 1 were drop podded in.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:27 pm 
Brood Brother
Brood Brother
User avatar

Joined: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:20 pm
Posts: 5477
Location: London, UK
Apologies, it was poorly written. I misread the report but was also replying in part to Kyuss' post game musings on the use of THawk to carry troops.
The need to summon before activation is another constraint that can be overlooked and further compounds the issues he highlights.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject: Re: Red Corsairs v3.4 vs EpicUK Krieg
PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:42 pm 
Hybrid
Hybrid

Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:32 pm
Posts: 4845
Location: North Yorkshire
Thanks for the report

_________________
_________________
www.epic-uk.co.uk - home of the UK Epic tournament scene
NetEA NetERC Xenos Lists Chair
NetEA Ork + Feral Ork + Speed Freak Champion


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


Powered by phpBB ® Forum Software © phpBB Group
CoDFaction Style by Daniel St. Jules of Gamexe.net