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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:40 am 
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In regards to terrain, from the book:

"Terrain features can be of pretty much any type, but should be roughly 15-30cm across. Hills can be up to twice this size."

In our games, we take the above underlined bit to mean that hills generally count as 0.5 terrain if they are not large. That's all. Same for smaller building bases.

I guess we just like our terrain big  :)

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:24 am 
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You do know the game was decided purely on the fact that you took your BTS off Overwatch don't you?

Ah but that was only one objective. You only need 2 and you got 3. I wouldn't doubt yourself too much in this, the WEs are pretty hard as nails.

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If they had remained on Overwatch, the Terminators would not have had that great an impact, and could have possibly been broken on the charge.


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Alternatively, the Terminators could have taken on another unit not so well prepared, however it would have done nothing for winning the game

Nah that's not true. At that point in the game I had very little left on the board that was capable of taking any objectives. Any one of those lost would have prevented me from even trying. As it was, what I had left was unable to effect the outcome. 3-0 and well done to you.

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8 berserkers with 4 BM taking on 9 skimmers and winning is generally unheard of.

Well 8 berserkers with Stubborn vs 7 Tau skimmers. I'm not saying it couldn't have gone differently but I tend to find in most of my assault situations with skimmers that that's the outcome. It would have been different again had I not already removed your rhinos with shooting. You already outnumbered me and rhinos would have added to the damage no doubt.


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As to the note that the Tau behaved too stand-offish in this game... they were up against the World Eaters!

Who on earth wants to get in close and rumble at short range with the World Eaters!  :grin:

Every army out there bar Tyranids and Orks would play a delaying game against the World Eaters.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 12:02 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Sep. 28 2009, 20:53 )

Every army out there bar Tyranids and Orks would play a delaying game against the World Eaters.

I did tell Dobbsy I would take a Marine or maybe an Imp Guard force next if he wished.

You never know, they may play a similar game  :p

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Yep I won't be throwing my troops forward like this ever again. It essentially cost me the game. I will continue to use Patient Hunter correctly and keep my forces in support of one another and remain in my half until I think the time is right to enact Killing Blow. If I had not been reckless and done these two actions, those units would have been available to wreak more havoc in late game instead of being completely broken and useless after failing to rally.


I was going to comment that, just because you are playing against "frothing at the mouth, chainsword wielding maniacs", doesn't mean you should play like them.  :smile:

So my first observation is that you were too AA light. In fiddling around with the lists, I think taking at least 3 Skyrays should be strongly considered. Also, in taking air units, either take enough to ensure that you dominate the airspace above you (like the WE's did with 3 x Hell Talon fms), or put the points somewhere else. The problem with only going part way is that if your opponent is determined to challenge you in the air, you really don't have enough to sustain your attack and it ends up being a points giveaway. Unfortunately, that cuts into your ground forces, so its important to think out.

I don't know anything about the WEs, so I'll have to reserve comment on them. Are they an approved list or something that is in the testing phase?

The only other things I could comment on, you have already provided your assessment on, which I agree with.

@Frogbear: Tau don't have to be played as a static gunline. They can be played quite aggressively, but that usually requires a far amount of familiarity with the list, which will come in time.

Thanx for sharing the report.

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Hey I'm happy to play against anything you want Frogbear. I'm not against playing your WEs again even. I thought perhaps you weren't keen on the Tau given your comments. Let me know when you're up for a game though and bring whatever you prefer. I'm keen to play any army to see how the Tau fair. And just so you know, I do try to employ different strategy in each game depending on what forces are arrayed against me.

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So my first observation is that you were too AA light. In fiddling around with the lists, I think taking at least 3 Skyrays should be strongly considered. Also, in taking air units, either take enough to ensure that you dominate the airspace above you (like the WE's did with 3 x Hell Talon fms), or put the points somewhere else. The problem with only going part way is that if your opponent is determined to challenge you in the air, you really don't have enough to sustain your attack and it ends up being a points giveaway. Unfortunately, that cuts into your ground forces, so its important to think out
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Yep I've restructured my usual list to incorporate more skyrays. Still hurts to reduce hard fighting formations though.


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It will of course help the credibility of both the World Eaters and the E-series Tau to play them against tested armies (Marked Approved or Development in the NetERC files, rather than Experimental).

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Quote: (Honda @ Sep. 29 2009, 03:55 )

I don't know anything about the WEs, so I'll have to reserve comment on them. Are they an approved list or something that is in the testing phase?

Well officially from an AC perspective, they have not been reviewed since I joined this board so that is over a year now

They are in a testing phase with this list which is available at the top of this post. It is now a competative list, we now just need to work on filling it out, making sure all the points costs are balanced, and making sure it is not a one-dimensional playlist.

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ Sep. 29 2009, 08:28 )

It will of course help the credibility of both the World Eaters and the E-series Tau to play them against tested armies (Marked Approved or Development in the NetERC files, rather than Experimental).

....and I am sure there are 100+ players out there to help with that yes?

So where are they?

I swear, unless something has "Marine" or "Tau" in it, it never gets discussed on these boards, and playtests are even rarer still.

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Hey, I'm just sayin...

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@frogbear: It would help if you would live in a maximum of 100km radius from me and i would gladly playtest against you every army once a week.
My last game of Epic was in March...

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Quote: (BlackLegion @ Sep. 29 2009, 10:03 )

@frogbear: It would help if you would live in a maximum of 100km radius from me and i would gladly playtest against you every army once a week.
My last game of Epic was in March...

Careful. I may take you up on that if I come to visit my Brother inlaw in Germany  :)

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So? Where? :)

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So? Where? :)

Well he just left, but I am being told that it is just outside of Berlin.

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As i'm in Leipzig this just fits  :D

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