Nope - they had all been summoned and died in turns #1 & #2, which is why I would probably add up to three more LD given the number of formations with pact (and/or reduce the pact).

However, this is a good reminder that this additional summoning bit needs to be watched

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But didn't you lose the first game util you restarted? - also i doubt Chris or any other IG player would field that army in a game they wanted to win.

That you had to restart to show the power of the Chosen just shows the inherent gamble with them of the initiative roll and overwatch - why both Nathan and I don't follow this tactic.

Who has actually done better in tourneys using BL?

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I like facing BL , just ask Steve and Nathan, but not Kev .

Its Obliterators I can't deal with.

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Actually, we did not re-start so much as keep the GD alive to evaluate how strong he was. The OW fire and the loss of the GD did not actually break the Chosen, so we could have carried on anyway. Had we done so, the result of the assault would have been almost identical and the only real difference in the game would have been the Chosen dying slightly sooner. The point of this "suicidal" assault was both to see if they could get in and then to evaluate the power of the attack (accepting that the BTS would probably die as a result).

Also note that, were this a tournament game, I agree that both the armies and tactics might well be subtly different - for example, I might well have teleported against the shadowswords, and assaulted them after using a Feral to remove the vultures that were screening them. Given that these two formations were the ones that actually caused most damage to the formation, there is a good chance that it might have survived the game - but then given my dice, perhaps not .

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If you check the Championship thread, you will find that you, Nathan, Mark Hargrave and Kevin Bott have all finished in the top four positions in the Uk tournaments to date (though not at the same time )

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Well, if having a Bloodthirster charging was irrelevant to the results, why bother fielding one? I don´t think that is an accurate statement.

The Feral seems ill-equipped to handle to Vultures as well, since they are Scouts you´ll get only one under the template, doubling lands you at 4x5+ for the Death Storm, 1x6+ on the Hellmouth, you´d be lucky to make a single kill that way. Just for placing a BM I´d use a Forlorn Hope or somesuch.

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Surely losing a GD and its 3x3+ attacks with 3x3+ TK attacks and Inspiring bonus along with the chance of it taking other summoned units back into the warp with it. Plus losing the possibilty of making more saves in the assault due to its reinforced armour would have had some effect in the result or why keep it on the table.

I won't call you surely again  

Thats if the feral survived the vultures overwatch shots too.

Well, the inspiring DP was still there, the IG also lost 3-4 units (that would have been killed by the TK shots) and everything bar the daemons has RA anyway - so it's loss was less significant that it might have been in a weaker formation

I won't call you surely again  

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Gavin, the GD crit affects only daemons, so no 3-4 dead IG, or Chosen:

Critical Hit Effect: The greater daemon is hurled back into the warp and destroyed. Any daemonic units within 5cms will be dragged back into the warp with the
greater daemon and destroyed on a roll of 6.

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Of all the theorising and bedating about the problems of the BL this is the truly worrying statement that may show a problem  

Agreed we can't have Gavin winning games. Somebody swop his dice again.  

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Fair enough but he did go down and took daemons with him, and does so in games so perhaps if you want to use the game as a basis for commentary you might actually let the game flow naturally.

I think your comment actually makes the entire test game seem very biased. You left it in to attempt to show how powerful it is. And yet it wasn't as it died and took out a chunk of your daemons.

The game is skewed and I think you really sound as if you have an agenda with this test and aren't simply testing the game.

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