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AMTL Vs steel legion 3000pts
ragnarok
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:58 pm 
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Game two

The second battle had the same objective setup as the first and same general setup as the first except that Scion deployed up next to Remus, and storm bringer deployed behinds the woods.

In response 3rd artillery and alpha company deployed behind the swamp.

This time round Fluffy focused his fire on more important units, such a delta and omega companies with Storm bringer and the Ordinatii repestivily.  He got luck with his first slavo and killed three russes.  In response the remainder of the Delta company, Rapier and sabre managed to remove al of Scions shields and cause 1DC and 1 critical.  Scion answered with a single destructor which killed Rapier.

3rd artillery failed to activate so only launched a single deathstrike at scion, which caused a mere 1DC and a critical.

The rest of first turn was a blur, expect for scion blowing up due to its reactor :D BTS in the first turn again.

Most of the rest of the game was a bit of a blur, but with scion gone fluffy was on the back foot and just couldn?t push forwards.

Turn three saw him with only Remus, a badle damaged Ordinaii and Storm bringer active (Romulus was broken).  Here we did some theory hammer, after a few activations.

Fluffy activated the Ordinatus, because it was all but dead (second deathstrike had knocked it down to 1DC).  However his cursing of his own dice meant that it wasn?t able to kill sabre whilist sustaining!

We talked about his actions and decided that he should of sustained with stormbringer or Remus on Delta company, hoping to break them (they were down to 6 tanks) then finish them off with the other of the pair.

However I was able to break Remus with Sabre denying him the chance to kill my BTS, shortly followed by the destruction of Ordinati Regulus.

The game ended 5-0 to me, but fluffy had more titans left alive  than in the first game.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:31 pm 
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Thoughts

Fluffy admitted that he still needs to learn tactics, the ones he has are fine for an Ork horde, but not for a force such as the AMTL.

I agree that my list was very TK heavy, but it was designed to deal with armour heavy lists and I will be using it against other lists, not just AMTL.

Even so I have come to the conclusion that AMTL do not work like other lists (yes it has taken me this long).  Where as with most lists it is reasonable to use a 200/250pt unit to break/destroy a 100pt enemy unit, just to swing the activation count your way.  It is not a viable tactic for AMTL.

AMTL need to focus their firepower on formations that can do damage to them.  So infantry and sentinel formations shouldn?t be targeted, though they are tempting.  Rather get use to being out activated and focus the firepower on armour and TK wielding units..  Once these are broken/destroyed then it doesn?t matter about their activations, they won?t be much of a threat.

I have also come to love single Shadosword.  I have only used them twice, but their ability to almost automatically place 6BM and kill 3 units a turn is quite useful against armour heavy enemies.  Only against infantry hordes will they suffer, but then they have the heavy bolters for extra killyness.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:43 pm 
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(ragnarok @ Mar. 22 2008,21:31)
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I have also come to love single Shadosword. ?I have only used them twice, but their ability to almost automatically place 6BM and kill 3 units a turn is quite useful against armour heavy enemies. ?Only against infantry hordes will they suffer, but then they have the heavy bolters for extra killyness.


How do you place 6 BM or kill 3 different stands with a single SSword per turn?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:48 pm 
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(Irondeath @ Mar. 22 2008,20:43)
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I have also come to love single Shadosword. ?I have only used them twice, but their ability to almost automatically place 6BM and kill 3 units a turn is quite useful against armour heavy enemies. ?Only against infantry hordes will they suffer, but then they have the heavy bolters for extra killyness.


How do you place 6 BM or kill 3 different stands with a single SSword per turn?

Sorry I wasn't clear.  Three seperate shadowswords, rather than a company of them.  It is 100pts more expensive than a company, but much more flexible in targeting the enemy an better for placing BMs.

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Thanks for clearing that up!  :)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:02 pm 
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(ragnarok @ Mar. 22 2008,20:48)
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(ragnarok @ Mar. 22 2008,21:31)
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I have also come to love single Shadosword. ?I have only used them twice, but their ability to almost automatically place 6BM and kill 3 units a turn is quite useful against armour heavy enemies. ?Only against infantry hordes will they suffer, but then they have the heavy bolters for extra killyness.


How do you place 6 BM or kill 3 different stands with a single SSword per turn?

Sorry I wasn't clear. ?Three seperate shadowswords, rather than a company of them. ?It is 100pts more expensive than a company, but much more flexible in targeting the enemy an better for placing BMs.

You had me going there as well.

Thanks for the report. I think that we need to start finding a suitable weapon load for a Warlord & Reaver and test these to at least get some wins.

E&C, You have managed to win with AMTL, can you give us some more informaiton on what you played with and against as the rest of us are having some real problems making AMTL work.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:19 pm 
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For the two games I've played under 3.x so far I had something like:


Warlord Titan with Volcano Cannon, 2x Plasma Blastguns, 1x Missile Launcher, Carapace Multilasers, Supreme Commander (875)

Reaver Titan with Quake Cannon, Lasburner & Vulcan Megabolter (700)

Reaver Titan with 3x Missile Launcher (600)

Warhound Pack (500)
- Warhound with 2x Vulcan Megabolters
- Warhound with 2x Inferno Guns

Warhound (325)
- Warhound with 2x double-barrelled Turbolasers



Notably, my list did not include any Ordniatae, which I intend to try out at some point (I'm tempted by the Barrage Ordinatus).

I've won one game, and might have stood a chance at winning the other if I hadn't have stopped and pointed out a method for my opponent to beat me on objectives (Essentially, I was out-activated).

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:23 pm 
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If I wasn't s worried about WISIWYG I would try a dual gatling blaster, dual volcano cannon warlord. ?It is 875pts, but has 8 AP4+/AT4+ and 2 MW2+ (TD3) shots a turn. ?coupled withedecent range, it should be able to pough through most enemy units.

Also a warlord with a barrage missile, two quake cannons and something else could be quite useful (but that is over 100pts without the thir weapon).

The same loadout on a Reaver only costs 900pts.

I have also found Storm bringer to be quite useful (3 MRL and a CLP for 875pts). ?9BPs upto 120cm away isn't as effective a a basalisk company, but being unsurpressable makes it a mean unit to leave near the blitz to contest it, whilst shelling the enem,.




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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:27 pm 
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If I wasn't s worried about WISIWYG I would try...


This is why I like magnets. :)


I have also found Storm bringer to be quite useful (3 MRL and a CLP for 875pts).  9BPs upto 120cm away isn't as effective a a basalisk company, but being unsurpressable makes it a mean unit to leave near the blitz to contest it, whilst shelling the enem,.

I've been surprised to see the Storm Bringer advancing a lot instead of Sustaining.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:00 pm 
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I am not sure why Storm Bringer advanced on the first turn.  I know he had to advance on the third turn to bring Alpha company into his line of fire.

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