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Epic: Siege v1.12
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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:31 pm 
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Quote: (Rug @ 06 May 2009, 09:46 )

HQ (Ogryns, Infantry)
Infantry (Rough Riders)
Infantry (Rough Riders)
Infantry (Thudguns)
AA guns
AA guns
Big Howitzer Battery
Firestrikes
Snipers
Snipers
Light tanks
PDF fighters
PDF bombers
3000pts

Thanks, Rug

So, no Fortifications at all?  Do you use them much in any lists?

And, other than the sniper formations, this style of army could be made with my variant of the list as well.

Could you post your "tank list"?

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:45 pm 
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Quote: (Rug @ 06 May 2009, 11:30 )

Writing multiple lists has also reminded me how satisfied I am with the company an hq costs.

What does this even mean?  How can the ease of writing lists be a strong point for judging the Company/HQ costs?

Honestly, the upgrade from normal commander to supreme commander, including a stat and weapon bump, is worth a lot more than +25 points.  No other army gets it that cheap, what justification is there for the Mossinians?

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:52 pm 
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No other army gets it that cheap


Chaos do, but they're broken.  :devil:

And Orks do, but the structure of the list requires a SC to mitigate their poor Initiative rating...

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 12:53 pm 
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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 06 May 2009, 12:52 )

Chaos do, but they're broken.  :devil:

And Orks do, but the structure of the list requires a SC to mitigate their poor Initiative rating...

Touché!  *laugh*

So, what's the Mossinian excuse?   :sulk:

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 3:44 pm 
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Quote: (Rug @ 05 May 2009, 23:57 )

The Mossians do win- but you've got to use your infantry companies! even though they are rubbish! But I can only comment on what I have been testing (0.5 stubber infantry). What have you been using Dave?

This is roughly what I've been using in my self test games (4 in total).

Regimental HQ + 1 Upgrade (either Thudds or Rapiers)
Infantry Co.
Infantry Co.
Infantry Co.
Flak Battery.
Flak Battery.
Flak Battery
Artillery Battery.
Artillery Battery.
Artillery Battery.
Light Tanks.
Light Tanks.
Firestrikes.
Fighters.
Fighters.
2 x fortifications

Then adding in either extra upgrades for Inf.Co's and snipers or an extra Inf.Co and bits.

I've been testing them as I would play the normal siege list and against Marines mainly (1 game against IG).
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How many stubbers per stand did you
use?


How many Stubbers should they have?

I'm willing to stick with the typo if it helps the list!

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Quote: (Evil and Chaos @ 06 May 2009, 16:41 )

How many Stubbers should they have?

I'm willing to stick with the typo if it helps the list!

I don't think fewer Stubbers helps the list.  If they've only got one per two stands, the formation needs to be *cheaper*... which just won't do.  Put it to one Stubber per stand, and then, at least, their cost is in line with the Siegemasters... even if it's still pretty dang cheap.




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When I look at those sample lists posted, I really don't think it's the Infantry Companies doing the "heavy lifting".

They're still pretty "popcorn".

Why not set some of those three unit formations to four unit formation?  Ups the cost a bit to reduce popcorn, diffentiates more from Barans, etc.

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Quote: (Rug @ 06 May 2009, 16:13 )

I have found this kind of list to be one of the more powerful builds, however the light tanks loosing scout makes it
far less effective.

If the light tanks lose scouts, shouldn't they become cheaper as well?

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Quote: (Rug @ 06 May 2009, 16:16 )

When used this way have you found them superior or inferior to barans? How many stubbers per stand did you
use?

How have they done- I've found marines do well vs mossians, guard not as well.

I found they felt similar to Barans and used 1 stubber per stand.
The Marines did do well and the IG not so well.
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