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Post subject: Siegfried on SG  Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 5:38 pm |
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Hi!
Normally it should alsways be a weapons platform, thats what they are good at and built for.
I do however like building close combat titans for a "titan hunting" role. Risky, sometimes they get blown to smithereens, but once in a while they close the gap and rip of some titan heads. Much fun.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:40 pm |
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Well, I do have one with Corvus Pod arms & head for assaulting buildings, however the Carapace mounts very heavy weapons, but that's the closest I get, to mounting other than heavy weapons on Titans. But I'm not against having a little fun ... so I say go for it ! 
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:08 am |
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Hi!
Clearly, close combat weapons are very specialized weapons, only really usefull if you are going to face enemy Titans in a close terrain setting such as a city, where close combat weapons on Titans have an edge. Any other scenario would be ludricrous since long-ranged wepaons and heavy firepower will most certainly have the edge.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:28 am |
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I used to regularly bring out a Warlord Titan with three Volcano Cannons and a Plasma Destructor. It was a really good armament load.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:51 am |
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All my Titans now have ranged weaponary, except on the Mega-Gargant where it was compulsory, and on the bug Titans... I agree, only in fights through cities etc. do they have that much potential, and long-ranged Titans tend to stay out of that sort of terrain if their commander is any good. ?
The Tyranid Titans with their faster movement and ability to scuttle straight over the top of much obstructing terrain (in E-40k), still got shot to pieces far more often than they got to combat in my experience, even with house rules making them significantly tougher.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:29 am |
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Yes, urban terrain is not Titan friendly. ?Send in the Grunts to clear the buildings, after the area has been pummeled by Titans, FA and airstrikes ... ?
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 7:24 am |
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:12 pm |
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*tries to redem himself*
I certainly hear what you are saying with regard to ranged weaponry vs CC on titians, I would say that, sure range is the way to , however with preticular refrance to E:A, several titians, namely the Phantom and Warlock, come "out the box" with a powerfist. This now brings up the situation where You have your Phantom titian and your opponet has a Warlord. In a ranged contest between the two, I'd say the Phantom, dispite its Halo field, is going to lose... quite baddly too I suspect. I think the only option the Phantom has is to charge headlong towards the Warlord, speed of 25cm is pritty good too, to heck with ranged weaponry, and hope the Halo Field holds.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 1:56 pm |
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Hi!
Part of the problem is that GW still produces its titans armed the same way they where when the game was introduced 14 years ago. At least earlier you got a large weapon mix to mitigate this, but if newer kits come with fixed weaponry, I think they should be with more long range weapons and leave close combat weapons for expansion blisters.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:02 pm |
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Titans are just fire magnets to me, they rarely redeem the initial cost in kills or in victory points.
Whenever I take them I use them as a psycological weapon, and I never take CC weapons (save from on my Reaver as it is my only reaver  and it has a powerfist).
Note I never take Warlords, either Warhounds or Reavers are enough for me.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:18 pm |
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Hi!
Note I never take Warlords, either Warhounds or Reavers are enough for me.
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This is very common. Mainly because in previous versions the warlord is TOO slow and the reactor is targetted from the front (utterly flawed). Reavers and warhounds can use cover better too and thus are generally favored over warlords.
I always felt they should have 8 shields, not 6. But thats another topic.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 2:48 pm |
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Should have been raised in the NetEPIC revision 
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:03 pm |
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I sort of agree with Legion-4 about arming Titans, but let's be honest, is a humaniod robot the best platform for all of these weapons?
It would probably be better to take the four weapon systems and stick them on large tracked vehicles. Hey! Four Shadowswords!
I mean, Warlords are slow, I am sure hard to maintain, stick out on the battlefield, and so on including looking cool. Giving one a powerfist is probably an Eldar thing the Imperium copied, but if you are going to give it a humanoid appeance, you might as well give it human-like abilities.
I don't play with Titans armed with close combat weapons unless I am playing with several at once, which is a rare thing these days. Back in AT/SM, if I had 5-6 Titans, 1-2 were cheapos designed to tear across the battlefield and get up, close, and personal.
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:47 pm |
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Some great comments, guys! ?
I armed all my Eldar Titans with ranged weapons and sold the close combat stuff. The parts are available from G/W US MO. ?
And Gandalf & Netepic made the point, that we have discussed before - Titans are targets and kind of "dumb."  ?
We still use the SM-1 rule about only 25% of your force level may be Titans, off-board support (and aircraft, a modification added later!). ?
So as I said, only one or two Titans are fielded per side, if any! Off-board missiles & barrages plus aircraft may be a better buy. Or even Heavy Tanks!
However, if we decided to use Titans, I usually took one, if for nothing else then to draw fire from his Titan. But the question comes to mind, why would G/W produce a model like a Titan, which is truly of limited tactical use? ?
Oh... wait... I answered my own question...
Never mind...  ?
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Post subject: Siegfried on SG Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:24 pm |
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As much as everyone comments are realy helpful, I get the feeling I'm being miss understood. By "out the box" I mean that in E:A Eldar armylist, the Eldar Phantom and Warlock Titians for tournement spec should equiped with a power fist, 2 wing mounted pismatic laser array's and a Pulsar for the phantom or Psychic lance for the warlock. Now it is fine and dandy to play with the hard to find rules with people who know whats going on, but a lot of the time I'm playing people who weren't even born when SM came out let alone heard of it. And for the sake of sanity on all sides we end up playing straight up and down rules no matter what the titians are actualy armed with, sure it's a bit on the beardy side but it does save a lot of "What is the point of that!" arguments.
I am fast descovering that the phantom's hitting power is in CC in E:A (Even under my wacked interpritation of the rules!). Preticularly at "choice" targets.
Is anyone else finding this? Or have I got to reread the rules once more?
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